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After Decades of Growth, Colleges Find It's Survival of the Fittest
Wall Street Journal ^ | February 21, 2018 | Douglas Belkin

Posted on 02/22/2018 2:42:36 AM PST by C19fan

Concord University in West Virginia and Clemson University in South Carolina were both founded shortly after the Civil War. During the 20th century, each grew rapidly. Now, the two public universities that sit just 300 miles apart face very different circumstances.

Clemson, a large research university, enrolled its largest-ever freshman class in 2017 and in December broke ground on an $87 million building for the college of business.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


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Mediocre 4 year private colleges have priced themselves out. These schools paying/going into debt is a negative Return on Investment. Now is the time for all these big bucks so-called conservatives or libertarians, looking at you Koch brothers, to buy up these schools and hire brilliant conservative scholars who have been blackballed from the elite schools. The Jews and Catholics did this with now well regarded schools like Brandeis and Notre Dame.
1 posted on 02/22/2018 2:42:36 AM PST by C19fan
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I agree with you. We would also give a more meaningful education.


2 posted on 02/22/2018 2:55:18 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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Now we find out who is the grasshopper. And who is the ant.

Free money from the government cannot last forever.


3 posted on 02/22/2018 3:01:14 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: C19fan

One of the annoying this about journalism, in my opinion, is the assumption that things “should” always remain the same, and that it’s “news” if they don’t.


4 posted on 02/22/2018 3:08:30 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The societal moronization ... is profound and terrifying." ~Mark Steyn)
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There are also many smaller conservative or religion based schools which are much stronger...they might be able upgrade their campuses at a fraction of the cost of building their own...hopefully many state owned state colleges will go banckrupt and the liberal stranglehold on higher ed will be broken.


5 posted on 02/22/2018 3:09:56 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find)
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So many universities have devolved into awarding pointless fluff degrees with no market value that they should be branded diploma mills and sued for fraudulent misrepresentation. They certainly shouldn’t be eligible for financial aid or loans for such degrees, when there’s no real hope of future income sufficient to repay the loan.


6 posted on 02/22/2018 3:18:59 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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There’s no real comparison between the two schools. Concord has about 2,000 students. It has never had much more than that. WV has never exceeded two million in population. Colleges were built during the time when typography in the state made travel difficult. After the construction of the interstates, it’s improved but some areas are still isolated.


7 posted on 02/22/2018 3:30:32 AM PST by meatloaf
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And they’ve not yet felt the impact of online education.


8 posted on 02/22/2018 3:32:44 AM PST by gogeo (excellent!)
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“At Clemson University, the Journal found, graduates on average earn $50,000 a year 10 years after entering college and the default rate on student loans is 3%; the average Concord graduate earned $32,000 and the default rate is 15%.”

If these figures are accurate then the situation is even worse than I thought. Ten years after entering college means on the verge of thirty, adjusted for inflation even the Clemson average is nowhere near what I was earning at the same age WITHOUT a degree.


9 posted on 02/22/2018 3:52:12 AM PST by RipSawyer
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Many of these schools expanded rapidly during the Vietnam War, when many people headed to college only to avoid the draft. It has been a slow death spiral for many since then, compounded by many other factors including open borders. Who is going to spend four years and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars on a degree just to watch an employer hire an imported Asian instead?


10 posted on 02/22/2018 3:57:20 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Getready

Dream Center Foundation/Dream Center Churches have bought and turned to non-profit the formerly for-profit South University, Argosy University, Western State College of Law and a dozen of Art Institutes.

It will be interesting to see how these colleges adapt under Fundamentalist Christian leadership. The IT classes at Art Institute of Atlanta are top tier in reaching and educating students who are above average in the 70th and 80th percentile but not the 90th percentile.

I have a soft spot for them as Aimee Semple-McPherson, the founder of what is now called Dream Center, was the idol/role model for my mom.


11 posted on 02/22/2018 4:02:20 AM PST by spintreebob
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Some of those “diploma mills” are designed for teachers’ union members, where additional degrees automatically bump up salaries tens of thousands of dollars per year. In the end, the taxpayer gets screwed by the scheme; the “teacher” recovers the investment of money quickly, and no time at all was invested.


12 posted on 02/22/2018 4:09:11 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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Many of these schools expanded rapidly during the Vietnam War, when many people headed to college only to avoid the draft.

It was during this period that many new law schools were established, for the same purpose.

13 posted on 02/22/2018 4:09:39 AM PST by Salvey
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We have one school here in north Jersey that is circling the drain after a Vietnam-era expansion; it sold one of its campuses, and years ago when I was looking at schools the only people I know who attended were those who couldn’t get into state schools. They’d go there for a year or two, then transfer into a state school at that point.

Seems many of these are just jobs programs for ghetto folk now; education isn’t even in the picture.


14 posted on 02/22/2018 4:12:58 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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Wow, I did as well with my WCU degree in 1995 money as Clemson grads do in 2018 money, lol. $50K was a lot more then than it is now.


15 posted on 02/22/2018 4:18:51 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: C19fan

People are slowly catching on to the scam(s) of higher education.


16 posted on 02/22/2018 5:35:09 AM PST by cranked
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Who is going to spend four years and tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars on a degree just to watch an employer hire an imported Asian?””

And the worst insult of all is hiring an affirmative action African in place of a more qualified and competent worker. Blatant and insulting racist hiring practices.


17 posted on 02/22/2018 5:39:04 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Google Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC ...)
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The college is dying like the rest of West Virginia. Obama killed West Virginia as premeditated murder.

Clemson is technical school polluted by the left. South carolina has BMW and Mercedes.


18 posted on 02/22/2018 5:41:55 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: RipSawyer

You can thank globalists in the corrupt Republican Party politicians for flooding the labor market with immigrants and H-1b visas.


19 posted on 02/22/2018 5:43:20 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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All of these small town private liberal colleges destroyed themselves by including politically correct liberal studies programs which increased costs significantly. More professors
and more benefits to professors increased tuition.

Best bet for these type of schools is to get rid of every liberal program they have, get rid of every liberal professor, hire good professors without an agenda and add a life skills curriculum as a minor.

Kids are leaving college without skills to function in the real world. Give a kid a business degree with a life skills minor and he/she will be very competitive.


20 posted on 02/22/2018 5:44:59 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (What is a Blue City? First world cities run by third world politicians.)
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