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Ex-NATO commander: North Korea likely getting help with nukes, rockets from China or Russia
The Hill ^ | 12/03/17 | OLIVIA BEAVERS

Posted on 12/03/2017 6:33:12 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster

Put out the word, if the norks attack us we’re all going down.


21 posted on 12/03/2017 7:46:47 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Mariner
That is also my current working hypothesis. Iran pays Russia to deliver to N. Korea technical help in terms of sample components and missile design consulting. N. Korea successfully produce nuclear-tipped missiles and the N. Koreans will help developing the Iranian version of the same model. The entire loop is complete: Iran - Russia - N. Korea - Iran.

Russia is probably paid handsomely by Iran. The money Obama gave to Iran can do some wonders.

22 posted on 12/03/2017 7:52:03 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: cba123

I guess we have gotten too far into the Chinese/globalist tank at this point to reverse course completely...so all he can do is negotiate around it...

Our economy’s numbers domestically are looking good though at least, no? What do you think of the tax bill?


23 posted on 12/03/2017 7:54:42 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: hinckley buzzard
File this under “duh.”

Yep

24 posted on 12/03/2017 7:56:49 PM PST by kjam22
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To: servantboy777

How do you think Trump is doing by comparison? (With regard to Putin/Russians?)

Its rough when our Western allies haven’t been on top of their game either (or seem outright hostile to us in some instances.)


25 posted on 12/03/2017 7:57:42 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Mariner

I think the security organs (led by the likes of McMaster and Mattis whose lectures I have been listening to from before they were appointed) plus Tillerson —> can figure these things out... but Trump is stubborn due to the beef he has with our Western (E.U./NATO) allies, who are outright hostile to him.

Macron in France was nice with the Bastille Day visit...but England wants to ban him from entering period.

Whereas the Chinese, Saudis et al pull out the red carpet...

Putin seems to flatter him.

And Trump prides himself on negotiation. Which is why he wanted someone with unconventional perspectives by his side: like Mike Flynn, Who has proven to be a disaster and thorn.

Flynn has been highly critical of our historic alliances like NATO et al.


26 posted on 12/03/2017 8:05:34 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A solid fuel, road mobile ICBM with a 150kt thermonuclear warhead is no small achievement.

It took the US and Russia 30 years to get to that point (start point 1950).

Yes, we know the Norklandians did not get there in 20 years without help. It’s inconceivable.


27 posted on 12/03/2017 8:10:31 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

It COULD be done by shipping only people/brains, machine tools, designs and process knowledge to Norklandia.

That way nobody sees major components in shipment.


28 posted on 12/03/2017 8:15:46 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I once saw somebody on Internet who claimed that there was a private jet(Gulfstream type) taking off Pyongyang and its destination was Moscow. That was from one of those sites tracking the flight of commercial airplanes. I checked immediately and it was indeed on their screen at that moment. That was intriguing. I wondered who were in that flight.
29 posted on 12/03/2017 8:25:53 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

No opinion of that yet.

You?


30 posted on 12/03/2017 8:26:17 PM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If you’re China or Russia, why spend money and treasure directly on destroying America when you can get Fatboi to do it for you?


31 posted on 12/03/2017 8:27:35 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good post. Political people need to be reminded of it repeatedly.


32 posted on 12/03/2017 8:40:08 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: cba123
I don't know either...😶🤔 ...I usually judge a bill by the types of people who are against it... in this case, the entire Democratic party so it must be a good thing?!
33 posted on 12/03/2017 10:29:19 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: Mariner; TigerLikesRooster

This is off topic from article above, but the question about whether the “security organs” in our country get whats going on struck me.

1) First of all, a *United Korea* is not in China or Russia’s interests.

2) I do sometimes think Trump holds out too much with regard to Russia...but I want to backtrack a prior presumption I made about General Flynn. In the little time he served, he did adopt a more traditional, pro-NATO approach to geo-policy.

From google search, I see articles about Flynn having backed Montenegro’s membership to NATO, which would be going against Russia.

3) European allies don’t want Iran deal undone.

4) Trump doesn’t put China/Russia on the spot as much as he can, but sanctions are addressing Russian entities who do business with North Korea. That is encouraging. And I am sure there are economic incentives to entertain for China.

But still...it all boils down to the prospect of a UNITED Korea being what our enemies fear...because the assumption is it will shift Asia closer to USA.


34 posted on 12/03/2017 11:02:28 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: blueunicorn6

On the northern border is Russia (then the USSR), who also fought with the NOKOs against the UN police action.

Likely the missile tech comes from the Russians who will sell anything to anyone for the right price, like they sold and continue to sell their jet engines to the Chinese.


35 posted on 12/04/2017 3:00:13 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

“From google search, I see articles about Flynn having backed Montenegro’s membership to NATO, which would be going against Russia.”

It’ not in US interests either. Any expansion of NATO is contrary to the interests of the United States.

Nato should be shrunk, not expanded.


36 posted on 12/04/2017 5:44:28 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

At this point I am all for any country who wants to leave Putin’s sphere of influence.

Re: North Korea. The real question of North Korea has to do with who stands to benefit or lose from *reunification* of the two Koreas and the implications such a move would have...or to question whether it is even possible at all at this point even if the regime were to tumble. Sources say it would be more of an ordeal than the reunification between East and West Germany for example.

Some South Koreans don’t want the stress. Especially young ones.


37 posted on 12/04/2017 7:06:32 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

I don’t know of anyone who pines for a Korea reunification.

The US has no interest in that, and South Korea is indifferent, at best.

The only interest the US has in North Korea is to neutralize their nuke capability. Nothing else.

Also, I am not opposed to any country choosing to leave the Russian sphere. That’s between them and Russia.

But I am adamantly opposed to the US being the guarantor of their security.

In all cases.


38 posted on 12/04/2017 8:55:07 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
Your blatant anti-Russian bias aside...there's good evidence that Ukraine has been helping North Korea.

North Korea’s Missile Success Is Linked to Ukrainian Plant, Investigators Say

39 posted on 12/04/2017 12:55:32 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

The Ukrainian government is a corrupt MESS.

At the grassroots level however, people are waking up. Progress is slow but it begins with tearing down Lenin statues and Soviet monuments. Which Russia dares not do under Putin and North Korea won’t be doing anytime soon either. As both regimes share an affection for Stalin and the Soviet power legacy in common regardless of differences in their current economic systems.

I anti-Putin’s Russia.


40 posted on 12/04/2017 1:05:12 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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