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We let Lenin rise, millions died. Now it’s Islamism
Sunday Times ^ | 12th October 2017 | Niall Ferguson

Posted on 11/12/2017 3:39:21 PM PST by Ennis85

Last week marked the centenary of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. On the night of November 7, 1917, the Winter Palace in Petrograd was occupied by the Bolsheviks. Seventy-two years later, on November 9, 1989, the Berlin Wall was opened. In the intervening period, according to the estimates in The Black Book of Communism, the grand total of victims of communism was between 85m and 100m.

Mao Tse-tung alone accounted for tens of millions: 2m between 1949 and 1951, another 3m in the course of the 1950s, a staggering 45m in the man-made famine known as the “Great Leap Forward”, yet more in the Cultural Revolution.

The lowest credible estimate for the total number of Soviet citizens who lost


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: coldwar; communism; islamism; lenin
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1 posted on 11/12/2017 3:39:21 PM PST by Ennis85
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To: Ennis85

bttt


2 posted on 11/12/2017 3:42:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Ennis85

The author minimizes the number murdered and starved to death:

Mao by starvation: 1958-1961 = 38,000,000
Mao by murder: 1923-1949 = 3,466,000
1949-1987 = 35,236,000
Total: 1923-1987 = 76,702,000

The actual ‘Grand Total’ is far above 169,000,000


3 posted on 11/12/2017 3:47:20 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Starving people don’t have the strength to revolt.

L


4 posted on 11/12/2017 3:53:46 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Ennis85

Every lone wolf is an ornament on the tree of Islam.


5 posted on 11/12/2017 4:01:14 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Lurker

They don’t have the strength to revolt because they are dead ie starved to death.


6 posted on 11/12/2017 4:02:11 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ennis85

Democrats are too worried about the scary Ar-15 to bother with reading about that history stuff.


7 posted on 11/12/2017 4:13:43 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: PIF
The author minimizes the number murdered and starved to death: Mao by starvation: 1958-1961 = 38,000,000 Mao by murder: 1923-1949 = 3,466,000 1949-1987 = 35,236,000 Total: 1923-1987 = 76,702,000 The actual ‘Grand Total’ is far above 169,000,000

The authors never use the real numbers, since it may scare the day lights out of folks. I just do not know why?

Mao they say is responosible for around close to 80 million to maybe even 100,000,000 million yet everybody says around 40 Million to 50 Million. Yet, Mao is considered a hero in the Chicom world???

Communism in Russia is around 40 to 50 Million folks in Russia alone. It probably is even more than this number.

Then we have other Communist hell holes who murder their folks by the thousands and millions.

Khmer Rouge, VC and Commies in Vietnam, NoKo, Cuba, Mooselimb countries and others.

I think your number above 170,000,000 million killed or murdered is correct.

Here we are coming upon the Christmas season----peace and goodwill towards mankind.

8 posted on 11/12/2017 4:15:48 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano
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To: Ennis85

Who is “we?”


9 posted on 11/12/2017 4:18:25 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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Thank Kaiser Wilhelm II for the sealed train for Lenin and his followers even more thanks to him and the Austrian Army chief of staff for WWI. In 1914 Russia was becoming an economic powerhouse. About where the US was in 1880 and Japan about 1900. A transcontinental railroad, a merchant marine, colleges of engineering etc.
10 posted on 11/12/2017 4:25:30 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Ennis85

This is why the 2A is the MOST important Amendment. This is why the left hates the American farmer. If one controls guns and food, it is the key to slavery and tyranny.


11 posted on 11/12/2017 5:05:48 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: logi_cal869

Western Civilization.


12 posted on 11/12/2017 5:23:28 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Ennis85

Hitler had 3 divisions of SS in the Balkins made up complrtely of Muslims, all the officers. Read more at tellthechildrenthetruth.com

Socialists with socialists, it’s why democrats like Islam


13 posted on 11/12/2017 5:32:03 PM PST by stockpirate (The GOPe and socialist friends do not fear Americans)
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To: Robert DeLong

The question was facetious, as the author opened with a ridiculous premise.

Globalism is not Conservative. We fought the good fight in the Cold War, but the Russians were responsible for permitting Lenin to rise, not “Western Civilization.” The US or “WC” cannot prevent every despot, crackpot or simply totalitarian leader in other countries. They are free to govern as they see fit and our foreign policy will seek to influence, but not control, other cultures in their respective spheres.


14 posted on 11/12/2017 5:41:52 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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I figured it was but I answered it anyway. Since I had to sign up to read the entire thing I chose not to because I already get way to much junk mail as it is.

If it defined globalism as conservatism, then yes that is definitely not the case or even close to the case. It is not even capitalism, though many try to sell it as such. What it is, is a clever ploy promoted as capitalism, but is really more closely aligned to fascism. Where there is an appearance of private business but that business is to benefit a government that operates in a dictatorial manner. Much like the newest fascist type of regime referred to as the European Union. While the dictator does not consist of just one person, but instead a small group of people, who retain total control over all decisions.

When the people overthrew the Czar of Russia, it was an unknown what would eventually take control there, but what it replaced was not something worth expending our treasures to save anyway. The world back them was certainly not as connected as it is today. In fact it was not even as connected as when Hitler came into power. Even then it was not completely understood what was taking hold there either but it quickly began to expose the fact that it was probably not something that should be tolerated. Still, few were anxious to get involved in it. It wasn't until the realization set in that the more it was ignored the more that evil power strengthened, and it had to be dealt with head on immediately before it grew so strong that defeating it would be that much harder.

However, I agree with him if he is saying, again I don't know because I didn't read it, that it is past time to recognize exactly what Islam's intentions are, and if we are to stop it it must be addressed now.

15 posted on 11/12/2017 8:30:06 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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I didn’t read it either. The lie in the headline prevented me from caring.

The fact is that Lenin would never have risen to power had their people had our 2A...a common thread in every despot’s rise to power.

But “we” also should respect others’ sovereignty... something which has been grandly perverted in the wake of WWII to become something else which the Founders would likely find quite disgusting (for lack of a better word at this late hour).


16 posted on 11/12/2017 9:05:15 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: TheConservativeTejano

FYI: Stalin = 69,000,000 murdered/starved to death - many in western Europe at the beginning of the purge - purge of all the true believers; another item overlooked by today’s progressives ... their dream come true, they are first on the list to be ‘purged’ -— Why? Because they betrayed their countries to achieve their dreams and therefore who can say they would not repeat - so untrustworthy and unreliable, must die.


17 posted on 11/13/2017 2:40:03 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: logi_cal869

Yeah, I don’t know about whether the 2A would have prevented Lenin’s rise. He WAS inspired by the French Revolution, after all, and a lot of those guys, ESPECIALLY the Cordelier’s club, which arguably made even the Jacobins seem moderate by comparison, utilized a lot of the founding documents of America as their basis, which most likely included the 2A (and besides, a lot of the French Revolutionaries used shotguns to execute people while people laughed at their bleeding out).

So far as respecting others sovereignty, the fact that we got the Louisiana Purchase and created a navy would fly in the face against that idea.


18 posted on 11/13/2017 7:27:54 AM PST by otness_e
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Did the Tsarist regime regulate or restrict public access to firearms? Did the Bolsheviks confiscate guns after coming to power? In light of pre-revolutionary poverty, could the poorer people afford to buy guns? If impoverished peasants and workers lacked guns, that would have made the Cheka’s work in suppressing Christians,political opponents, and business owners that much easier.
19 posted on 11/13/2017 7:41:01 AM PST by Wallace T.
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“So far as respecting others sovereignty, the fact that we got the Louisiana Purchase and created a navy would fly in the face against that idea.”

You’ll have to elaborate on that one...


20 posted on 11/13/2017 1:24:14 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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