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Posted on 08/16/2017 8:06:12 PM PDT by janetjanet998

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...what’s so right-wing about these “white supremacists?”

Well, how did hard fascism get planted on the right end of the political spectrum? The Italians labeled their fascist ideology "right-wing" and I guess it stuck. For all that, the argument is still going on.

Because racial supremacy was such a high-profile element of Nazi fascism, supremacists get planted on the far right; not that the Nazis thought of it first, only that they acted upon it to such a demonic extent.

The issue Conservatives face lies in demarcating that racial supremacism has NO PLACE in the ranks of American Constitutional Conservatism. Because of the extent to which the Nazis took their vile notions of racial supremacy, it now matters not at all that an individual is socially conservative, a strict constructionist, advocates for Constitutionally limited government, believes in the sanctity of marriage, believes in right to life -- once you throw "racial supremacist" onto that pile, ALL the rest gets ERADICATED; the individual is marked as a demented, socially radioactive crank, twisted in mind and soul, and not to be listened to about ANYTHING.

Inasmuch as Conservatives want to draw support from as many places as possible, there simply must be a hard delineation drawn that bars admittance of adherents to supremacism. The idea is not simply wrong; it is utterly repugnant on all planes: moral, ethical, social, spiritual and legal.

But that gives the left a serious stack of political poison to work with; all they need do is inject a dozen paid supremacist flaks into the ranks of any Conservative gathering to poison the entire thing. And I think that's what happened at Charlottesville, and I think we'll see that happen elsewhere in the future. I'm certainly expecting it in Phoenix.

21 posted on 08/17/2017 12:08:03 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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“For all that, the argument is still going on.”

Only because leftists are vile and disgusting liars.

“Because racial supremacy was such a high-profile element of Nazi fascism”

The Nazis were not fascists. They were national socialists. Socialists. Socialists.

In the 1930s, the American hard left – CPUSA, Hollywood, FDR, etc. – absolutely loved Adolph Hitler. He had his nonaggression pact with “Uncle Joe” Stalin, and his abrogation of the WWI armistice and illegal rearmament were misrepresented by loathsome traitors like Dalton Trumbo as an economic miracle.

“Adolph Hitler has demonstrated that socialism works,” went the leftist narrative. All Hollywood was on its knees before der Fuhrer, one hand on his zipper.

Immediately after Hitler betrayed Stalin, word went out from the CPUSSR: Hitler is no longer the darling of the left. He is a right-wing monster.

And just like that the American left turned on a dime and began attacking him, and ever since the order from the CPUSSR leftist morons have been claiming that he was right wing.

“…not that the Nazis thought of it first, only that they acted upon it to such a demonic extent.”

All leftist thought, from the limousine liberalism of a George Clooney to the murderous horrors of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, is of and from Satan. The German socialists were certainly much worse than the Italian fascists in regard to racism.

“racial supremacism has NO PLACE in the ranks of American Constitutional Conservatism.”

I’ve heard American Negroes saying things like, “I love all black people, and I hate all white people.” (Not kidding; I really heard that.) Where does American Constitutional Conservatism come down on that?

Since 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of American Negroes are white-hating racists, are we just writing them off?

We whites are the only race that is not allowed to admire and prefer itself. How is that likely to turn out?

“Because of the extent to which the Nazis took their vile notions of racial supremacy”

Why should that reflect on us? The Nazis were leftists. Socialists.

“…once you throw “racial supremacist” onto that pile, ALL the rest gets ERADICATED; the individual is marked as a demented, socially radioactive crank, twisted in mind and soul, and not to be listened to about ANYTHING.”

And what is that but another of the left’s lying narratives? It is predicated entirely upon the fiction that erstwhile darling of the left Adolph Hitler was right wing.

“Inasmuch as Conservatives want to draw support from as many places as possible, there simply must be a hard delineation drawn that bars admittance of adherents to supremacism.”

That is true *because* the left has sold the fiction that Hitler was right wing. It is a burden we should not be forced to bear.

“The idea is not simply wrong; it is utterly repugnant on all planes: moral, ethical, social, spiritual and legal.”

Annapolis graduate, naval officer, science fiction writer, and philosopher Robert Heinlein wrote that the mark of the barbarian is that he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of the universe. (Not calling you a barbarian; just throwing it out there.)

“But that gives the left a serious stack of political poison to work with”

Yes, they get a lot of mileage out of the Hitler lie.

“all they need do is inject a dozen paid supremacist flaks into the ranks of any Conservative gathering to poison the entire thing. And I think that’s what happened at Charlottesville”

Yes, I think so too. Well, some of the provocateurs were not supremacists, but left-wingers pretending to be supremacists. How can that be prevented?

“and I think we’ll see that happen elsewhere in the future. I’m certainly expecting it in Phoenix.”

Oh, Hell yes. As long as they keep getting away with it, they’ll keep doing it.

I cannot think of any legal and moral way to stop them. Perhaps our President could. (Yes, I know that “president” should not be capitalized there; I do it anyway as a mark of respect.)


22 posted on 08/17/2017 4:25:28 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime "humanity.)
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To: dsc

“I’ve heard American Negroes saying things like, “I love all black people, and I hate all white people.” (Not kidding; I really heard that.) Where does American Constitutional Conservatism come down on that?

Since 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of American Negroes are white-hating racists, are we just writing them off?

We whites are the only race that is not allowed to admire and prefer itself. How is that likely to turn out?”

Apples and oranges: what some black people think about white people vs. what white people think about white people are two different things; they’re not joined at the hip, so the latter can’t be legitimately predicated on the former.

I’m a Native Californian; stuck it out here for over 50 years, and I’ve got friends who’re black; decent people who couldn’t give a fig for what color you are. All that matters to them are your character and whether you’re stayin’ for grub, ‘cuz they fixin ta throw down.

Got a couple of veterans who rent an apartment from me; good guys outta Nawlins; they got no use for AntiFa, and BLM is a stain on the black community so far as they’re concerned.

Your 99.9999999...ad nauseum...% figure is absurdly overinflated. I suspect there’s some degree of that “gotta be a friend to make a friend” thing that’s artificially skewing your results, but you come across as rational, and decently civilized, so...I dunno why your perceptions are so lopsided.

If you don’t know any black people who don’t hate white people, you’re talkin to black folks in the wrong zip code. I know places like that; neighborhoods within 30mi of my place where I could go find racially-based animosity. But I could go to a different neighborhood and just as easily get chased out by white punks, too. One gang hates me because I’m white, the other gang hates me because I’m not in their gang. Comes down to tribal hatred one way or the other.

And that was the focus of a decent bit of writing over at The Federalist just a couple days ago: white people have, historically, been the only ones who don’t regard themselves as a tribe.

“A big part of the reason white Americans have been willing to go along with policies that are prejudicial on their face, such as affirmative action, is that they do not view themselves as a tribe. Given the inequality of resources favoring whites in our society, it is a good thing that white people view themselves as the ones without an accent. Should that change, white privilege (whatever one views that to be) will not be eviscerated—it will be entrenched.”
Source: http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/how-anti-white-rhetoric-is-fueling-white-nationalism/

White people in America have long behaved as the ones most comfortable in their own skins; the only “un-tribe” among all the “tribes” in the land (native, immigrant, or religious); others are “minorities,” we’re — wallpaper. Scenery. The normal people. The regular crowd. Joe Average. We don’t stick out, and we don’t feel any psychological need to stick out. White people in America don’t feel a NEED to preen for the cameras and admire their whiteness; we’re comfortable being white without the psychopathy of having to collect accolades for it. White people are not, generally speaking, prone to racial Narcissism; we’re like extras in Hollywood: we’ll be in the film, but we’re not gnashing our teeth over not being on the red carpet on premier night.

And THAT stirs up the racial envy in some folks.

LOTTA other people spent a LONG time trying to “get up to” where we are. They’ve even used government to game the system to try and make it a shorter climb. But we white people haven’t done anything extraordinary to be here. We get up, get dressed, and get on about the business and busyness of life every day. We live routine lives, by and large, but here we are, and we’ve been here all along.

What government isn’t telling anyone, nor the media, either; and what even many white folks don’t know is this: that whole “up here where the white folks are” thing is a psychological illusion. ANYONE from ANYWHERE can — as easily as falling off a log — live his life “up here where the white folks are” if he’ll only get his education, get through school, get to work and be consistently industrious about it. And a hard-working, bright, studious black man can even get a few miles further down the road than the white boys that grew up around his hometown. Where does the world think we get people like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, anyway?

White people aren’t inherently better people, we’ve just consistently done whatever came to hand to be better tomorrow than yesterday, and haven’t let our own whiteness influence our thinking as to how hard or easy that was. At least generally. I guess some whites get obsessed with being white, but the vast majority of whites generally don’t give it much thought.

I can remember the first black kid I met at school. He was in my brother’s class, and they became friends. Never entered my thinking that school, or college, or future working life would be any bit more difficult for him than for me and my brother. If you’d have told me way back then that he’d have a tougher row to how because he was black, I’d have looked at you like you had gummy worms hangin out your nose, and said you were outta your ever lovin mind.

And — except for media, and government doing all they could to try and tell me I was wrong — I was right. I’m still right. The highly successful black men, and women in this world PROVE I’m right, because the reason they “made it” is that they’re as comfortable in their own black skins as I am in my own white skin. They consciously think as infrequently about themselves being black as I infrequently think about myself being white. And that’s not a thing of being ashamed of one’s race; shame makes you MORE self-conscious, not less. No, it’s a genuine, healthy self-confidence is what that trait is. You show me someone who’s all goin on and on about race this and race that and I’ll show you someone who’s self-conscious about their own color and uneasy in their own skin.

Conservatism really doesn’t care what color anyone is. And that is why it is SO galling to have bona fide white supremacists lumped in with us Conservatives. Racial supremacism just isn’t in the genetic code of American Constitutional Conservatism. It’s the left that’s obsessed with race, not Conservatives. But the left thinks they can use the evident white supremacism of some as a poison to taint all of Conservatism, and if Conservatives don’t push back, and work overtime to identify bona fide supremacists and weed ‘em out; well, the left might enjoy a long, strong run of success.


23 posted on 08/19/2017 12:17:10 AM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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Thank you for the thoughtful post.

“Apples and oranges: what some black people think about white people vs. what white people think about white people are two different things; they’re not joined at the hip, so the latter can’t be legitimately predicated on the former.”

Not following you there, sorry. My experience has taught me that black people believe some pretty screwy things about white people and what it’s like to be white, so you’re right that they are two different things. I just don’t see what that demonstrates.

“I’ve got friends who’re black; decent people who couldn’t give a fig for what color you are. All that matters to them are your character and whether you’re stayin’ for grub, ‘cuz they fixin ta throw down.”

Only The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Maybe things are exactly as you say; I don’t know any of you.

“Your 99.9999999...ad nauseum...% figure is absurdly overinflated.”

I was engaging in hyperbole. I would estimate the actual figure at 99.90%.

“I suspect there’s some degree of that “gotta be a friend to make a friend” thing that’s artificially skewing your results”

I am not going to do the “I’m Not a Racist” truffle shuffle. Never again.

“but you come across as rational, and decently civilized, so...I dunno why your perceptions are so lopsided.”

If I’m rational, perhaps they’re not as lopsided as they appear to you.

“If you don’t know any black people who don’t hate white people, you’re talking to black folks in the wrong zip code.”

I think there are a few, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that I have been mistaken about even those few. Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams, some of the men I knew in the Navy…and…no, since I was last associated with the military, I haven’t met any blacks who cared to have white people as friends. (In general; not just me.)

“But I could go to a different neighborhood and just as easily get chased out by white punks, too. One gang hates me because I’m white, the other gang hates me because I’m not in their gang. Comes down to tribal hatred one way or the other.”

Not really. This is apples and oranges, too. White-on-white gangster aggression is not comparable to racial hatred.

“And that was the focus of a decent bit of writing over at The Federalist just a couple days ago: white people have, historically, been the only ones who don’t regard themselves as a tribe.”

He has a lot of very good points. This anti-white rhetoric is indeed fueling something, but I don’t know why that something must be characterized as “white nationalism,” with all the negative connotations that carries. Neither am I sure that “tribe” is the best word to describe the way minorities have seen themselves in relation to whites.

Still, it’s a great article. I’m saving it to look over at my leisure.

“And THAT stirs up the racial envy in some folks.”

Having lived in Japan for over 20 years, I know a thing or two about sticking out. Still, Japan is their country. They are Joe Average. In America, whites are being told that they may no longer be the wallpaper. We are being told, “America used to belong to you; now it belongs to us. Stand by to be our niggers for a change.”

“But we white people haven’t done anything extraordinary to be here.”

I beg your pardon. Western Civilization. Mankind has never risen higher than the peak of Western Civilization.

“if he’ll only get his education, get through school, get to work and be consistently industrious about it.”

And that’s one reason I no longer do the “I’m Not a Racist” dance. Americans whites surrendered in the sixties, threw up their hands, and told the blacks, “Whatever you want, take it. Just don’t hurt us.” But it’s never enough. Why is it never enough, one might ask?

Because a slave does not dream of freedom; a slave dreams of being a master.

Nothing less will ever satisfy.

“And a hard-working, bright, studious black man can even get a few miles further down the road than the white boys that grew up around his hometown.”

Yes, and so can a lazy, obstreperous, race-card-playing affirmative action milker.

“Where does the world think we get people like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, anyway?”

From the Blue-Eyed-Devil Uncle Tom Academy, of course.

“White people aren’t inherently better people”

Stipulating that for the purpose of argument, does that mean we are obligated to give our stuff to people who have no claim on it? Including our very country?

“Racial supremacism just isn’t in the genetic code of American Constitutional Conservatism.”

However, realism is. People just have to accept that equal opportunity leads to disparate results.

“But the left thinks they can use the evident white supremacism of some as a poison to taint all of Conservatism, and if Conservatives don’t push back, and work overtime to identify bona fide supremacists and weed ‘em out; well, the left might enjoy a long, strong run of success.”

Now, see, I think that’s playing right into their hands.

You are accepting that we have a need to “weed them out,” which means that they were in in the first place. When the lying scum say that there is something right wing about racism, just answer “FOAD, leftard slime, racism belongs to you.”

No responsibility lands on us just because white supremacists—or perhaps we should start calling them white survivalists—agree with us on other issues. It’s just that we have been giant pussies, too afraid to stand up to the lying bullies.


24 posted on 08/19/2017 1:33:19 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime "humanity.)
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To: dsc
“Apples and oranges: what some black people think about white people vs. what white people think about white people are two different things; they’re not joined at the hip, so the latter can’t be legitimately predicated on the former.”

Not following you there, sorry. My experience has taught me that black people believe some pretty screwy things about white people and what it’s like to be white, so you’re right that they are two different things. I just don’t see what that demonstrates.

You were noting that "We whites are the only race that is not allowed to admire and prefer itself." I think that, being "allowed" is irrelevant to how others are going to choose to think about us. I don't think it would change anyone else's mind about whites even if there were a generally accepted mechanism for whites to be "allowed" to indulge in some self-admiration. The left would label it "a racist mechanism" and signal their drones to keep right on thinking what they already think; good, bad, or ugly.

The other angle is that, as I noted, whites don't generally feel any need to engage in all that much self-admiration in the first place. So I'm not certain what would change if it were universally acknowledged that whites were legitimately allowed to do so.

Now, I say that with the clear-eyed understanding that, whenever there's a laudatory article or video production about, say, Lord Kelvin, or Michael Faraday, or Madame Curie, or Helen Keller, white people don't watch that stuff, or read those articles thinking they're about the individual's race. But there is always a contingent out there taking note that the subject is a white person, and thinking of the whole thing as an exercise in white people admiring their whiteness. White readers or viewers are mostly thinking it's about someone's life and achievements, but some leftist segment is chalking it up as being about race; "Hey, look at what this person was able to do because they were born white."

There's no amount of white people thinking different about themselves that's gonna change that. Hence, my "apples and oranges" comment.

“I’ve got friends who’re black; decent people who couldn’t give a fig for what color you are. All that matters to them are your character and whether you’re stayin’ for grub, ‘cuz they fixin ta throw down.”

Only The Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Maybe things are exactly as you say; I don’t know any of you.

Well, you're right in not being able to see into the depths of people's souls, but if a tree is known by its fruit, and a spring by the water that flows from it, many black people I've known are good all the way down to the core. Usually, as we converse, it comes out that they've just chosen to live beyond the voices of the leftist race-baiters; to refuse to give their ideas any place in their lives. They know it goes on, they feel pressure to play the game, but they've rejected the narrative.

“Your 99.9999999...ad nauseum...% figure is absurdly overinflated.”

I was engaging in hyperbole. I would estimate the actual figure at 99.90%.

Droll.

“I suspect there’s some degree of that “gotta be a friend to make a friend” thing that’s artificially skewing your results”

I am not going to do the “I’m Not a Racist” truffle shuffle. Never again.

I don't think there's any call for that. The black friends I've made never specifically vetted me for racist tendencies; I didn't have to pass any test beyond just being a good guy, personable, fun, sociable — the usual ways normal people decide whether or not they want to hang out together.

“But I could go to a different neighborhood and just as easily get chased out by white punks, too. One gang hates me because I’m white, the other gang hates me because I’m not in their gang. Comes down to tribal hatred one way or the other.”

Not really. This is apples and oranges, too. White-on-white gangster aggression is not comparable to racial hatred.

Yes, the two have different roots, but for those who get tangled up with them who learn — whether lying in a hospital bed, or in the morgue — that there's an indiscriminate equivalence of outcomes produced by both. It isn't any comfort reporting to the next-of-kin, "Race wasn't a factor."

“But we white people haven’t done anything extraordinary to be here.”

I beg your pardon. Western Civilization. Mankind has never risen higher than the peak of Western Civilization.

Well that's absolutely true, but white people didn't build Western Civilization because they were white, they built it by virtue of what they BELIEVED and DID. The rise of Western Civilization isn't a race-based achievement.

“And a hard-working, bright, studious black man can even get a few miles further down the road than the white boys that grew up around his hometown.”

Yes, and so can a lazy, obstreperous, race-card-playing affirmative action milker.

Not without forever living under that cloud. Yes, being seen that way by others, but mostly being seen that way in their own bathroom mirrors. You can see the results all around: black people who've "made it" on that basis are some of the most bitter, disgusting, self-righteous, loud and obnoxious, down-in-the-mouth sad sacks of entrails on the planet. Maxine Waters, for one. Colin Kaepernick. The list is very long, indeed. Still, I know black people who disdain those on that list every bit as much as I do; they'd rather die than be found to have forfeited their human dignity to get on that list. Seriously, if there's one sort of black person nearly unanimously derided among blacks it's the race-baiting victim. I've heard the gossip. Oh, they get politeness face-to-face, but utter scorn hits the atmosphere long before the choking cloud of their perfume has dissipated.

“White people aren’t inherently better people”

Stipulating that for the purpose of argument, does that mean we are obligated to give our stuff to people who have no claim on it? Including our very country?

Not saying that, at all. The equality asserted in The Declaration of Independence isn't a race-based equality. That government has violated that First Principle with redistributive taxation and racial inequity hard-coded into present-day policy doesn't change the Principle. The Declaration establishes an at-birth, racially-independent equity across all natural-born citizens in this land that establishes these United States as "Our Country"; our shared birthright. From that beginning, though, any disparity of futures is possible based on numerous factors, and there are too many — mostly leftists — who think race is in the Top Ten among those factors.

“Racial supremacism just isn’t in the genetic code of American Constitutional Conservatism.”

However, realism is. People just have to accept that equal opportunity leads to disparate results.

But not because of race. Equal opportunity equally acted upon produces statistically equal results. It's the action step where the disparate outcomes are forged.

“But the left thinks they can use the evident white supremacism of some as a poison to taint all of Conservatism, and if Conservatives don’t push back, and work overtime to identify bona fide supremacists and weed ‘em out; well, the left might enjoy a long, strong run of success.”

Now, see, I think that’s playing right into their hands.

You are accepting that we have a need to “weed them out,” which means that they were in in the first place. When the lying scum say that there is something right wing about racism, just answer “FOAD, leftard slime, racism belongs to you.”

I don't accept them as being here in the first place; I have seen them "seeded" in among us at various events from time to time. I'm saying they need to get rooted out in those cases, pretty much in real time. The exposure that typically comes to light later after some days of online research needs to be happening on-site. We've got to get better at identifying the telltale signs of infiltration, and filtering out the "plants" right there at the venue entrance.

No responsibility lands on us just because white supremacists — or perhaps we should start calling them white survivalists — agree with us on other issues. It’s just that we have been giant pussies, too afraid to stand up to the lying bullies.

What we'll call them depends on what they think, and how they speak and act; I'm fairly happy letting people self-identify. And I don't think we need to shrink from calling a spade a spade. Survivalism and supremacism are two different animals. One's patriotic. The other — poisonous.

25 posted on 08/19/2017 10:10:06 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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