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Andrea Mitchell: “I don’t know if there are cases” of whites hurt by affirmative action
Legal Insurrection ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 08/03/2017 7:06:07 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

Yesterday, we noted the left’s freak-out over the news that the Justice Department will be investigating race-based discrimination in college and university admissions.

The freak-out was on full display on Andrea Mitchell’s MSNBC show yesterday. You knew the fix was in from Mitchell’s choice as guests of two critics of the initiative: the Washington Post‘s Jonathan Capehart, and Janai Nelson of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

The most outrageous moments came when Mitchell said: “I don’t know if there are cases, even” of white students being disadvantaged by minority students taking available slots.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; andreamitchell; collegeadmissions; dopeydems; highereducation; invitedguests; mediawingofthednc; msnbc; partisanmediashills; preferences; presstitutes; racialdiscrimination; scripted; smearmachine; whites
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To: ExTxMarine

The woman who sued UT lost. It turned out she was a weak student who did not qualify in the first place (she was not in the top 10% of the class). 47 students were found to have been admitted with lower grades. 42 of them were white.


81 posted on 08/03/2017 9:20:04 AM PDT by Fredpooll
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To: mom.mom

News people are intelligent and great communicators but have zero common sense. They are like powerful speed boats without rudders or “real” work experience. You see them cutting through the political water at break neck speeds in totally random directions and reaching the shores of false conclusions then bouncing off and heading a new random direction.


82 posted on 08/03/2017 9:28:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Hey Andrea, why not give Adam Carolla a call. He will be glad to talk to you :

Adam Carolla Testifies Before Congress

83 posted on 08/03/2017 9:42:17 AM PDT by TheCipher (To my mind Judas Iscariot was nothing but a low, mean, premature Congressman. — Mark Twain)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Here’s one first hand Andrea: In the mid-eighties Brooklyn College wanted to start a Classics Department that would teach Greek and Latin. My brother was the ranking expert in both Classical Greek and Latin in America. He applies and watched them give the job to a Black man. He was such a fake that after one year they ate his tenure and paid him off to leave. Then they asked my brother to interview for the Department Chair position again. Once again all went well but they hired a Hispanic woman who was worse than the first guy and the fired her and ate her tenure contract. They contacted my brother and said the job was his if he would sit for one more interview. My liberal as the day is long brother told them to shove the job.
As a NYPD cop I saw lots of guys screwed by affirmative discrimination. Shut the F%^k Up Andrea.


84 posted on 08/03/2017 9:45:54 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah all of those gubmit employees have never been hired because of AA?

And time and again I’ve noticed that a good portion of them get fired for performance/corruption/behavior.


85 posted on 08/03/2017 9:59:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Andrea Michelle: 'I don't care if anyone got 'White Hurt' because I got this job as a result of equality and not by my smarts'

had to fix it....

86 posted on 08/03/2017 10:11:23 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is DEPLORABLE :-))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
So an Asian student (regardless of family sociology-economic background) must score 450 points higher on SATs than a black student (regardless if their parents are doctors/lawyers, etc.) to gain admission to "prestigious colleges and universities," since blacks are given 310 points just for showing up? Hispanics don't get the same advantage as black students but still are given points for showing up for the test!

I doubt that many students of all races are aware that Asian students get docked 140 points on their SAT scores, just for being Asian.

No wonder everyone got all huffy and insulted about the Affirmative Action Cookie sale, where whites and asians were charged more than black and Hispanic students.

No wonder white males are becoming fewer and fewer at these colleges and universities - were I in that demographic, I would be furious at the huge disparity!

Even black students should be insulted at being thought of as that less intelligent or worse yet, being treated as less able to apply oneself to ones studies!

87 posted on 08/03/2017 11:20:02 AM PDT by zerosix ( Native Sunflower)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; Brooklyn Attitude; Openurmind; minnesota_bound; Dr. Sivana; publius911; ...

While many of us (myself included) often focus on the direct harm to the person who is discriminated against directly by Affirmative Action (the person who DIDN’T get in to college, be hired by a company, or passed over in the military for promotion in rank) we forget the cost to other people and society as a whole, when we stop being a meritocracy (which has inherent damages associated with it) and put people into jobs they are less qualified (or unqualified) to be hold.

If it is an engineer or contractor who got their job on the basis of sex or color, the building can be shoddy or even collapse.

If it is a person promoted to Full Admiral who is both black and a woman (as Obama did with Michelle Howard, who is completely and totally unqualified for the job, particularly when compared with the other applicants who were passed over to get her into that slot) then people die, ships get damaged and sunk, morale will suffer, and battles or wars will be lost.

If a person is admitted to medical school ahead of a better qualified candidate (as Patrick Chavis was in the famous Regents of the University of California v. Allan Bakke case decided by the Supreme Court) you end up with a completely inept, unqualified, and hideously negligent physician, as happened with Patrick Chavis who nearly murdered two women whose surgery he bungled, and he discharged them and took them to his house to “hide” them from the records of incompetence that would have been generated, where one lost 70% of her blood, the other he barged into the ER (where the woman’s sister had taken her with internal bleeding) discharged her and did the same thing, taking her back to his house. He had a third patient who he performed a “fly by night” liposuction on her (probably in his office as well) and she had cardiac arrest and died, after which he fled and disappeared. There are recordings of the POS saying to patients who were horrifically screaming in pain “Don’t talk to the doctor while he is working” and “Liar, liar, pants on fire” (insinuating she couldn’t have been feeling that kind of pain)

This was Ex-OB-GYN Physician Patrick Chavis, whom Bakke had been displaced from being admitted to The University of California because Chavis was black. (you can read Michelle Malkin’s excellent article from 2002 at https://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2002/08/07/the-life-and-death-of-patrick-chavis-n1386538 . For what it is worth, Dr. Bakke is still a practicing Anesthesiologist at the Olmstead Hospital in Rochester, MN.

I find the case of ex-MD Chavis most ironic, since he caused pain and death to the very population of black women who likely supported Affirmative action. (All three victims named were black women) Both Ted Kennedy and Tom Hayden said (before the good ex-MD had his license to practice medicine revoked) that the good ex-MD was an example of how affirmative action was supposed to work, because a minority community got more out of his services supposedly than if the white Dr. Bakke had been admitted instead, implying he would have gone on to practice only to make money in a wealthy white population. Well, the good ex-MD Chavis was murdered in 2002, so he isn’t “helping” underprivileged black women by doing fly by night liposuction procedures anymore.

These are typical of the costs on society by Affirmative Action. And Andrea Mitchell can’t think of anyone harmed by it.


88 posted on 08/03/2017 2:29:50 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Exactly. The damage inflicted by Affirmative Action, like a burn that continues to damage tissue after the heat has been removed, is far reaching.

Your brother was victimized.

And likely, the education of any students who went through the Classics Department during the tenure of those two Affirmative Action losers probably suffered as well.


89 posted on 08/03/2017 2:33:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: rlmorel

Additionally, any qualified person who is a part of a protected group such as minorities or women has damage inflicted on them as well.

They will likely have to work far harder to accomplish more and also avoid unfortunate failures that might not be of their doing, because they will be looked at askance by any person who will wonder if, or assume they did, get their job as an Affirmative Action leech.

They suffer that fate as well. Thomas Sowell has discussed this at length in his works.


90 posted on 08/03/2017 2:36:49 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: zerosix
"...Even black students should be insulted at being thought of as that less intelligent or worse yet, being treated as less able to apply oneself to ones studies..."

Exactly. The suspicion of only advancing via Affirmative Action, and also encountering the "bigotry of low expectations".

91 posted on 08/03/2017 2:38:18 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: rlmorel

Very good points and arguments about affirmative action. The example I like to use, because my son is a Chemical Engineer;

The fluid in the pipe at the chemical plant doesn’t care if the plant engineer is black or white, male or female. It does not take race, gender, or sexual orientation into account. If the pressure and temperature of the fluid is wrong, the plant blows up and people die. It’s not being racist, sexist or homophobic. It is going to do what various natural laws demand will happen. It is truly “blind” to any sort of bigotry or prejudice.

Either you know what you are doing or the plant blows up. Period.


92 posted on 08/03/2017 2:41:43 PM PDT by henkster (Ask your favorite liberal to take the "Snowflake Challenge.")
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To: Fido969

Flat-head. Ever see her on a bad hair day? Whoa.


93 posted on 08/03/2017 2:43:39 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: rlmorel

Great write up!

You are absolutely right, There are always more factors to consider. The cause and effect can be very far reaching in reality. The damage can affect a society as a whole not just a couple industries.

This deserves it’s own headline and original article posting Sir.


94 posted on 08/03/2017 2:53:37 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: rlmorel

You should read my paper - can I post a Word Doc on FR?

The cases you sight are reverse discrimination caused by a poorly designed and execute affirmative action program. It is not a quota.

It is still about merit against the defined admission or job requirements but you then try creat a larger pool of diverse applicants to increase their utilization numbers. So affirmative action is a way to try and get more diverse hopefully qualified applicants based on tight measurable criteria

So who is verified at that job, who has x years of experience in a complex world on some number of accounts, delivery trucks, square feet in a facility etc etc.

I don’ t like but had to live under it as a hiring mgr at a Fortune 100 company. I wrote the paper as part of my MBA because I wanted to understand what it is and what it is not.


95 posted on 08/03/2017 2:59:22 PM PDT by Jimmy The Snake
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To: rlmorel

I think the harm in affirmative action is the lowering of quality. You don’t believe when a black man comes out of Harvard that he is as good as anybody else coming out of U of Mich. The black man at Goldman Sachs may not be as good as the other partners. Same with doctors or anyone else. You know that that person could be as good as the best white man walking the street. But because of affirmative action you can’t count on his resume. Because frankly he did not deserve that resume. It was given to him. Even if he is great, that diploma on the wall does not say anything about him. It says that Harvard needed more diversity. So black and Hispanic people can’t really get a rock solid resume. They have to prove themselves everyday. Because they are not in the same world as the rest of us.


96 posted on 08/03/2017 3:04:42 PM PDT by poinq
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To: Jimmy The Snake

I would very much like to read this. You could copy and paste it in and then “preview” it to see if this accepts the format and wrapping correctly?


97 posted on 08/03/2017 3:05:07 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: henkster

Absolutely. that potential (or actual) plant blow-up is a damage to society. Granted, plant blow-ups and such can and do happen regardless of the race or gender of a designer or employee.

I think of an airline pilot. Fatal accidents may happen with all fully qualified people involved .00001% of the time (just making that up) because it is impossible to prevent all accidents. So that means if there are a million people flying, 10 people die.

But having less qualified people makes it more likely, that is indisputable. So if it happens .000012% instead, that is two additional people.

Liberals don’t think that is a significant cost, but it sure is to those two people, their families and friends, and everyone they may have positively impacted in their lives.


98 posted on 08/03/2017 3:05:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Openurmind

Thanks for saying so, Openurmind. It is an important subject, to be sure.


99 posted on 08/03/2017 3:06:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: poinq

Agreed. that was what I was trying to say in my post at #90, but I think you may have said it more clearly!


100 posted on 08/03/2017 3:13:21 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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