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Centrist Tuesday Group In House 'Will Never' Meet With Freedom Caucus
The Hill ^ | 03/30/17 11:40 AM EDT | By Peter Sullivan -

Posted on 03/30/2017 11:48:32 AM PDT by drewh

The centrist Tuesday Group affirmed at a meeting Wednesday that it will not meet with the conservative House Freedom Caucus to negotiate changes to an ObamaCare replacement bill, according to Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.).

“I am not speaking for the White House; I'm not speaking for the Speaker; but I will speak for the Tuesday Group,” Collins, a member of the group, told reporters. “We have never negotiated with the Freedom Caucus. There was never a meeting scheduled with the Freedom Caucus. We will never meet with the Freedom Caucus, because it's not appropriate for a group of ad hoc members.”

“It's not regular order, that's not our role,” Collins added. He said the regular healthcare committees should handle the issue.

He said the Tuesday Group had a meeting on Wednesday and he can state “unequivocally” that other members of the group agree they should not meet with the Freedom Caucus.

“It was just reiterated that next time one of those calls comes in [from the Freedom Caucus], just hang up,” Collins said of the Tuesday Group meeting. Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the Freedom Caucus, said Wednesday afternoon that he is open to setting up a meeting with the Tuesday Group, but so far had only spoken with Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), the group’s co-chairman.

Collins said he thinks the Freedom Caucus is just trying to shift blame for the repeal bill’s failure last week by talking about such a meeting.

“I think the Freedom Caucus is simply trying to shift the blame for this bill going down to someone else, and the thought that they could say, ‘Oh, we're willing to meet and negotiate with the Tuesday Group,’ is absurd on its face,” Collins said.

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1 posted on 03/30/2017 11:48:32 AM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh

Club for Growth/Koch Bros are getting their money’s worth with this Freedom Cuck-us scam.


2 posted on 03/30/2017 11:50:07 AM PDT by proust (Trump / Pence 2016!)
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To: proust

I reluctantly forward this Pastor Chuck Baldwin rant and fully expect to catch unholy hell from fellow Trump supporters (of which I am still one). You will find it at the link at the very bottom.

There are a number of Chuck’s comments with which I take issue — SERIOUS issue (one being Israel v. Zionism) — BUT much of what he writes squares with points I attempted to make in the 7 minute video I produced over 7 years ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyEtw8lBtI

And, of course, there is the MAJOR ISSUE that the dissembling, divisive criminal Hillary Clinton would have been much, much worse.

As is true of ALL elections, 2016 was a choice between two flawed human beings by equally flawed human voters who had grown weary and angry about the country’s slide into the abyss. Trump, who was not just another Beltway insider and had no track record, won the day.
It MAY be too early to know just where Mr. Trump is taking us, but I BEG you to read this piece with an open mind so that you can be alert to further signs that Baldwin MAY be right.

And, of course, there’s the distinct possibility that the world has become so screwed up by the Deep State apparatchiks, intelligence “spooks” and Globalists that NOTHING can be done to right our course. As I reread that, a small tear came forth for my children, grand children and great grand children. Consider cremation as they might dig many of us just to spit in our faces for the mess we left behind!

Now, it’s off to my underground bunker to brace for what I anticipate will be a firestorm of incoming! (Some of it, sadly, from otherwise good folks who declare they detest the current PC goal of shutting down dissenting viewpoints.)

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3581/This-Is-Not-Going-To-End-Well.aspx


3 posted on 03/30/2017 11:50:58 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 4TH ESTATE HERE HAS BECOME A 5TH COLUMN. DIDN'T WE IMPRISON TOKYO ROSE???)
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To: drewh

My understanding is that Obamacare’s 2500 pages were supplemented by another sixty or hundred thousand pages of regulations required to make it work. Does any “replace” bill do away with the hundred thousand pages of regulations?


4 posted on 03/30/2017 11:51:58 AM PDT by marron
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To: Dick Bachert

There is a team player. Just hang up. Nice


5 posted on 03/30/2017 11:52:12 AM PDT by Jimmy The Snake
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To: proust

This Tuesday Group of RINOs were abandoning Ryancare in greater numbers than the Freedom Caucus.
Blame them.


6 posted on 03/30/2017 11:53:26 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: drewh

The balkanization of Congress has now been achieved.


7 posted on 03/30/2017 11:54:20 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: proust

I’m sick of the FC, I’m sick of the Tuesday club, I’m sick of every other caucus. The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. Why can’t anybody actually attempt to govern?

Trump needs to either get all these ass clowns in a room together and figure out how to get something done or he can just call a special session of Congress and tell them they’re not leaving until thhe get an acceptable bill on his desk to sign. This is ridiculous.


8 posted on 03/30/2017 11:54:37 AM PDT by usafa92 (Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States)
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To: drewh

I don’t blame the Freedom Caucus for sinking a bad bill with 17% approval ratings.
I blame the swamp Republicans (which may include Trump) for not doing what they said in campaigns.
I blame the swamp for not doing all they could under reconciliation that the Parliamentarian said they could do.

Let’s call the extent the Parliamentarian said we can go 100%, so why is Ryan, Trump and the Republican swamp only going 63% or so and why would we blame Freedom for not settling when we can do more?

Where is Trump? Is the truth that so much of Republicans are so progressive that he might as well go to Democrats, really?


9 posted on 03/30/2017 11:55:58 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: proust
hey, the Koch's bought and paid for that veto power! :)

Pass Mo Brooks BILL NOW! Brooks submits no-nonsense bill to repeal Obamacare http://www.catholic.org/news/politics/story.php?id=74243

10 posted on 03/30/2017 11:57:05 AM PDT by drewh (>>)
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To: drewh

THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IS WORKING FOR WHAT WE VOTED FOR

AND WHAT VOTERS WERE PROMISED

*F* *U* TO THE “CENTRISTS”


11 posted on 03/30/2017 11:57:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF OBAMACARE REPEAL THAT IS WORSE THAN KEEPING IT ONE MORE DAY***)
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To: usafa92

All in a room. Record why some will not do what they campaigned on.


12 posted on 03/30/2017 11:58:12 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Translation - the Tuesday Group is fine with Obamacare, doesn’t want to make any changes.


13 posted on 03/30/2017 11:59:16 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: drewh

So, they assure us that they have not talked to the bill’s dissenters, and will never talk to the dissenters.

So, big surprise, they made no effort to get them on board except maybe to try and bludgeon them into supporting it.

And still have no intention to talk to them. That’s their boast. Somehow I don’t think that’s how you do it.


14 posted on 03/30/2017 11:59:34 AM PDT by marron
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To: drewh; proust
This is very unfortunate--totally counter-productive. Here is what I have suggested elsewhere today:

We have to bridge all unnecessary party conflicts--all that is, that do not reflect a real difference in American objectives.

In this spirit, let me suggest a compromise on Health Care, which could satisfy both the strict Constitutionalist & strict Jeffersonian, on our side, while reassuring the "moderates," who fear the result of an abrupt abandonment of the present Federal involvement in Civilian Health Care. This approach, understood, is intended to be acceptable in principal by almost all Republicans, as well as some Democrats in districts where everyone is not a Leftist "whack job."

We start with a brief recital of medical history, to postulate the ideas--the long term objectives--first, what the framers of our Constitution intended, when they left health care legislation to the States; and secondly to the honorable intentions of the class of physicians, who assumed the responsibility of the Hippocratic oath.

{Why this is important as a unity gesture, is not just that it would appeal to the hard core right--of which I am one. It actually leads to a public debate as to an ideal that argues for a Republican approach. It leads to an ability to demonstrate why Obama care has simply worsened the already grossly inflated medical costs that LBJ's 1965 intrusions have directly contributed to. The fact is that it is lunacy to allow the Federal Government, via various mandates, to meddle in something as immediate as the relation between a physician and patient, and expect the two certain results that anyone able to picture the dynamic interaction of factors, would expect: to wit, soaring costs & declining efficiency of service. Properly employed, this discussion will help public attitudes.)

Next, there needs to be what at first blush will appear as a factual recital in the opposite direction, relating only the factors now present in American Health Care, which actually have to be taken into account, as we endeavor to pursue a reasonable strategy, acceptable to all fair minded people of all persuasions, to back the bureaucrats in Washington out of American medicine. Here is the essential legal analogy:

We have in the law a doctrine that provides an exception to ordinary contract law, which allows the creation of a binding obligation, where one party--even without legal consideration for the promise--induces another party to commit to something, or part with something of value; where the party inducing the commitment is deemed to be estopped from denying the benefit promised. Under such an understanding, it would be unfair to immediately cancel the benefit promised to those who voluntarily signed up for Obamacare, under the promises made at the time.

Note, I am not suggesting a permanent continuation of any Federal entitlement; only that we recognize the concept that people who committed their future medical needs under the fallacious--but for many over-powering--inducements, have a legitimate situation--from a lay perspective--that needs to be addressed in a satisfactory manner.

We have to acknowledge these concerns--both sets of concerns--the reality of what worked without the Federal Government for 2200 years, and what works in human concerns generally, and the mess that the Socialist manipulators have created by their misuse of Federal power, for functions never delegated to those Socialist manipulators.

Just starting with a brief discussion of both factors, will elevate the level of public trust that we are not bulls in the proverbial china shop.

Now before someone accuses me of compromising principle, this is how Medicare & Medicaid are handled in the appropriate Chapter of the Conservative Debate Handbook:

Panacea or Death Potion.

15 posted on 03/30/2017 12:00:50 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Mr. K

put the Mo Brooks bill up for a vote. majority wins


16 posted on 03/30/2017 12:00:53 PM PDT by drewh (>>)
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To: mrs9x

The Tuesday group members need to be primaried at every turn the way this is sounding.


17 posted on 03/30/2017 12:01:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mrs9x
Translation - the Tuesday Group is fine with Obamacare, doesn’t want to make any changes.

Exactly. Faced with an angry electorate that demands the repeal of Obamacare, Ryan finessed it with a sleight of hand. He offered us a choice to "fix" Obamacare, versus "keeping" Obamacare. No Door #3.

18 posted on 03/30/2017 12:02:02 PM PDT by marron
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To: Ohioan

How about, if you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare.

And if you don’t like it, you can buy any coverage you want on the open market.


19 posted on 03/30/2017 12:04:07 PM PDT by marron
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To: Dick Bachert

I don’t see how your post relates to this thread.


20 posted on 03/30/2017 12:08:01 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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