Skip to comments.French surprised that integrated middle-class Muslims arrested for terrorism
Posted on 12/15/2016 8:02:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Every time a radical Muslim kills, the media is quick to remind us about the integrated middle-class Muslims – the hardworking cargo handler, the well liked elementary school assistant, the friendly grocer.
Unfortunately, France just arrested a hardworking cargo handler, a well liked elementary school assistant, and a friendly grocer on charges that they were getting ready to massacre a bunch of innocents.
One was a well-liked elementary school assistant. Another was a hard-working cargo handler. The third was a friendly grocer. They were longtime friends in their quiet suburban neighborhood, and they joked with teenagers and greeted children with a smile.
They found weapons in the apartment of the well liked elementary school assistant, and the authorities intimated that the group of well-liked Muslims were about to launch a massive attack.
Yet in the early hours of Nov. 20 agents from France's internal security agency swooped down, plucking the three and one other from their apartments, charging them with plotting a terrorist attack, and locking them up in a prison outside Paris.
Here was a new type of terrorism arrest: decently paid men in their 30s giving no warning signs of radicalization – no beards, no robes, no proselytizing[.] ... There were certainly more obvious candidates for jihad. The four arrested gave no outward hint of radicalization.
And unlike many troubled youths in Paris and Brussels who have latched onto the Islamic State, they did not live on the margins. They had stable jobs and no previous brushes with drugs or crime.
"Nobody saw anything," said Olivier Bitz, Strasbourg's deputy mayor in charge of counter-radicalization. "And that is profoundly disconcerting. It is profoundly destabilizing for society. Now, the threat can come from anywhere."
No, not from anywhere. Just from Muslims.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
So, that truck slamming into all those people didn’t open your eyes? Sacre bleu
That's why there is no way to do "extreme vetting" of Muslims, and why we should stop all Muslim immigration until this subset of hate in Islam burns itself out, whether it takes five years or 50 years or 500.
In this civilized western world there is NO SUCH THING AS AN “INTEGRATED” Muslim - ANYWHERE!
We’d best be realizing this very soon.
A Natural Law.
In our present times, its the Saudis who are largely responsible for promoting this "subset of hate."
The hate and forced submission for unbelievers is baked into this political ideology masquerading as a religion. How would it ever burn itself out? These people are literally following in the footsteps of Mohamed.
And that is one of the reasons the voters elected Trump. They see the same problem he does or vice versa.
No such creature as a “moderate” or “peaceful” muslim. They do not exist, as decreed by their religion.
The faithful muslim has no choice but to kill, enslave, and extort anyone who is not a muslim, according to the koran.
Islam is like if trbal-feudal warlords and communists came together and formed a war plan disguised as a religion, so that the ignorant masses would buy into it.
Those Muslims who are committing violent jihad are simply following the dictates of their religion. They are the pious Muslims.
When a Christian decides to become closer to his faith, he will attend church, perform good deeds and try to help those around him. The same with Jews. But Islam is a very different kind of religion. The way you show your devotion to the faith is to kill infidels.
Islam was originally contrived by a warrior prince, quite brtutal is his dealings with those of different tribes. The way to heaven for Muslims is not to "love thy neighbor" but to to kill thy neighbor. The usual punishment for a range of sins in Islam is death. Contemporary Islam has not deviated at all from the earlier form.
They are highly skilled liars and are not to be trusted. Ever.
A leopard cannot changed his spots. . . . .
This needs to be said over and over and over and over and over.
Muslims are poisonous. It does not matter what social tier they occupy. You can’t sort out good Muslims from bad. Eventually, even the most peaceful of them wants to live by Sharia or eliminate all Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus. It’s in their nature. It’s like keeping a pet rattlesnake and expecting it to never try to bite.
Integrated muslims another oxy-moron.
The problem seems to be that many in the West think of militant Islam as if it were a wart on the face of Islam, or something that could be cut away from the rest as one might remove a wart.
But is that really the case?
Time and time again these Muslims say upfront that they are waging war to advance Sharia and Islamic dominance, and they often speak of “grievances” that result NOT from them being mistreated by anyone but from Islam not bring adequately dominant and non-Muslims adequately subservient to Muslims.
So if they are asserting these things, and they are, there are two possibilities: either they are wrong in their understanding of Islam/Sharia or the are correct.
If they are correct about Islam and Sharia then militant Islam is not a surface blemish to be cut off of Islam: it is Islam.
The large numbers of so-called “moderate” Muslims are then things like mere cultural Muslims, secular or backslidden. They can remain thus for their whole lives and never cause anyone any harm.
But, aside from temperament (which can change), all that separates them from becoming militant is reading what the authorities have written about Islam/Sharia and taking them seriously, at their word.
A good example of this is the Fort Hood shooter, Major Nidal Hasan. He was not some random loon. Rather, as he faced deployment he was greatly concerned about the possibility, however remote, that he might kill another Muslim without right: which is apparently a one way ticket to hell.
“Without right” is a consideration that emerges because of Sharia law. Basically it means there are only certain defined circumstances under which a Muslim can ever kill another. This is never a concern with respect to non-Muslims, and under Sharia non-Muslims don’t have justification to kill a Muslim,
To cut to the chase: being in the US Army is not having the right to kill other Muslims. Hasan may never have had to do so even if he deployed, but he couldn’t know that for sure. He asked to not deploy, he gave briefings why he couldn’t and what Sharia demanded of him, and then when it was clear he was going to deploy he did as he said he would in those briefings.
Just to be clear: he was not a loon or irrational, he rationally approached what Islam and Sharia thought him and THAT is the problem.
He was trying to be a “good Muslim”, a good man as he understood morality.
In may ways, probably ironically so, he was far more ethical and moral a Muslim than many of the Iraqi killers he was worried about killing.
But being “ethical” demanded he become militant given what he believed about his circumstances.
So if people dare act surprised that a well established Muslim suddenly becomes a militant Muslim are they acting out of a proper understanding of Islam or is their head up their can and they don’t have a clue about Islam (thinking it all about income or lack or jobs or what have you)?
Bet you can guess which I think it is....
Any foreign population moving into your country or community will have some problems settling in and integrating successfully. Every group that’s come into USA had some like this. But there is only one foreign group that’s been trained from birth to hate Christians and the West - and taught to kill or conquer us. They are extremely dangerous. We need to repatriate that group ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Islam is the theory.
Jihad is the practice.
Radical muslim: a muslim who has decided to kill you;
Moderate muslim: a muslim who has not decided to kill you yet.
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