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Recount 2016: Jill Stein Cannot File Direct Request For Recount In Pa, Must Take it to Court
The Inquisitor ^ | 2 hours ago | Tara West

Posted on 11/26/2016 7:07:27 PM PST by drewh

Jill Stein posted to her Jill2016 website that she had raised enough money to “file” for a recount in Pennsylvania. However, the Green Party candidate left out some key details about the filing of recounts in Pennsylvania that many of her supporters likely would have wanted to know before donating. For example, candidates cannot file a direct request for a recount in the state and instead must appeal the election in court.

View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow The Trump Train @The_Trump_Train Donald Trump statement on Jill Stein's recount efforts: 3:25 PM - 26 Nov 2016 1,074 1,074 Retweets 1,806 1,806 likes According to the Recount 2016 initiative and donation page posted by failed Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, the Stein/Baraka Green Party Campaign launched an effort to ensure the “integrity of our elections.” Stein noted that she was hoping to raise funds via grassroots efforts to “demand” that recounts take place in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. She claimed “data” has suggested a need for recounting “machine-counted” votes in these particular states, which also happen to be states that Trump unexpectedly beat Clinton.

Follow Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump The Green Party scam to fill up their coffers by asking for impossible recounts is now being joined by the badly defeated & demoralized Dems 6:31 PM - 26 Nov 2016 14,904 14,904 Retweets 42,094 42,094 likes Stein’s fundraising efforts immediately sparked the interest of Clinton supporters as it played on the hope that Hillary still had a chance at the presidency. Should all three states be overturned in a recount, Clinton would have enough electorates to win the election. However, Stein did not make the recount process clear for her donors. Her outline makes it sound as though a candidate can simply file for a recount if they raise enough funds for the filing fee.

While the filing fee and request is all that is needed in Wisconsin, her second state “funded” is much more complicated. Pennsylvania does not allow candidates to file a direct request for a recount, according to the Pennsylvania Election Code. Instead, the filing fee is simply the amount needed to appeal the results.

Penn by Jessica McBride on Scribd

SHARE 99 TWEET “While candidates cannot file a direct request for a recount, they may appeal the order or decision of any county board regarding the computation or canvassing of the returns of any primary or election, or regarding any recount or recanvass thereof. During the appeal process, the court may determine that a recount is necessary.” Per Pennsylvania regulations, there is only one way remaining for Jill Stein to get a recount in Pennsylvania and it is a complicated process. BillyPenn reports that Stein would have to file for a court appeal and present a “prima facie case” showing that voter fraud took place. While prima facie has a lower burden of proof threshold than “beyond reasonable doubt,” it is still significant. Stein would have to prove in court that fraud was “probable.” This is going to be very difficult given that even the computer specialists recommending the recount say there is no proof of hacking or fraud.

View image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Leah the Boss @LeahRBoss I'm just gonna leave this right here. 4:24 PM - 26 Nov 2016 383 383 Retweets 479 479 likes In fact, the Medium reports that Clinton’s own legal team headed by Marc Elias has noted that Clinton’s team “had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology.” The Obama administration echoed that by stating that the government did not observe any increased level of malicious cyber-activity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on election day. According to Newsmax, Obama is standing behind the results which indicate that Trump won the election, saying the election was “free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective.”

Elias also noted that in even the closest margin state, Michigan, Trump’s win “well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount.” Therefore, Elias says that is why Clinton herself did not pursue a recount effort. However, since Stein has funded and initiated the effort, Elias says that Clinton will participate to ensure fairness.

Stein has maintained that the effort is not designed to overturn the election results, but rather to ensure transparency in the voting process. Stein has even criticized Clinton for joining her efforts so late in the game, calling her “on-again, off-again about democracy.”

Follow Dr. Jill Stein ✔ @DrJillStein Why would Hillary Clinton—who conceded the election to Donald Trump—want #Recount2016? You cannot be on-again, off-again about democracy. 3:41 PM - 26 Nov 2016 1,411 1,411 Retweets 2,345 2,345 likes Follow Dr. Jill Stein ✔ @DrJillStein Why would Hillary Clinton—who holds "public" and "private" positions—want to engage in something as transparent as #Recount2016? 4:07 PM - 26 Nov 2016 594 594 Retweets 1,064 1,064 likes The deadline to file an appeal in court for Pennsylvania is on Monday, November 28. Stein has said she is “filing” but has given no further details about the efforts. Should she file, the next step would be to prove her “prima facie” case in court.


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KEYWORDS: 2016parecount; 2016recount; election; lawsuit; pa2016; pennsylvania; recount; stein; steinrecount
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To: drewh

The Donald’s campaign had better have its team assembled to oppose these creeps, and go on the offensive in the states that went narrowly to Hillary. The mouse is not the thief, but the unplugged hole in the wall is.


121 posted on 11/27/2016 2:31:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Figment

If somehow PA’s electoral votes don’t get counted, then the 270 electoral vote number gets lowered to 260 electoral votes needed for the presidency. The 12th Amendment states in part:

“The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed”

Since PA’s Elector’s weren’t “appointed” the number of voting electors drops from 538 to 518. Majority number would then be 260 Electoral Votes needed for election. This is why the dimrats in Florida 2000 where trying to stretch the recounts out as long as possible so that Florida could not have their electors vote in the electoral college vote. Al Gore would then have won when the 270 minimum electoral vote number would have dropped down to something like 258 had Florida’s electors not been able to cast their ballots.

If by some chance the Dems/Stein manage to get slow hand recounts going in all three states and play the delaying game enough that these states electoral votes (46 combined PA, MI and WI) are NOT able to be cast, then the new total number of “appointed” electors voting would be 492. The new Majority number needed to win the Electoral College would be 247 electoral votes needed for election.

If you take away the three states in question, Trump leads Clinton 260-232 in the Electoral College. Trump will still be the next president and win the majority of appointed electors, so just simply blocking these three states from casting electoral votes will not help Clinton or hurt Trump.

Only way Hillary will become POTUS from all this is if she steals PA (20 Electoral College votes) + either MI or WI and then blocks wither MI or WI from casting it’s electoral votes. Stealing MI + WI and blocking PA from casting electoral votes will not win her the presidency. Without these three states, Clinton trails Trump by 28 in the electoral college. Netting MI + WI and blocking PA would make it Trump 260 - Clinton 258. Trump would still win the presidency by one Electoral College vote.

Unless Stein/Clinton find the most corrupt, partisan judge in all Pennsylvania to hear Steins recount/election challenge request, if the judge simply follows Pennsylvania election law for recounts, they will have to reject her request


122 posted on 11/27/2016 2:34:45 AM PST by dsm69 (Boycott News Media/Hollywood Advertisers)
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To: entropy12

Soros paid for that 5 million already with a bot.
Busted! Jill Stein’s Election Recount Is Being Paid For By a Bot!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=50879

Roger Stone on Twitter: “Jill Stein “recount funded by Soros

https://mobile.twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/802230392493404160

The media , Hillary lied tricked Trump . Hillary lied when she conceded. They got Trump to work furiously on “transition” when they were working to flip 3 states MI, WI , PA. They are already recounting MI ,WI . they will mysteriously find enough votes. Democrats are masters at cheating and fraud.

Hillary lied tricked Trump. Soros paid for recounts in MI and WI which now will flip to her with fraud.

Trump has to drop this transition they tricked him into doing by Hillary “conceding” and fight this coup.

Trump and his lawyers . Must stop them in PA, last stand

I’m not criticizing anyone i’m just trying to help with strategy and what I see how they duped them . thats’ all . I’m trying to stop hillary .some of you may see this a criticism and a attack me for no reason


123 posted on 11/27/2016 3:19:14 AM PST by Democrat_media (bots are donating to Jill Stein's website for the recount. Soros behind big scheme)
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To: drewh

Will ALL the absentee MILITARY votes be counted this time. I have seen no remarks about those ballots being counted on Nov 8-9.


124 posted on 11/27/2016 3:29:22 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: struggle
I like the way you think this situation out struggle...

5. The Clintons and or Soros know that the litigation/audits soon to visit the CF will hit on some very illegal money that may be used against Clinton but inevitably will show up as Soros money and may result in criminal election financing charges that will affect both Soros and his children and possibly result in criminal charges. This money (10-20M of it) needs to disappear from the CF. By Friday or so, the bots should have shuffled all of this money from the Foundation into Stein’s “recount”. (60%)

125 posted on 11/27/2016 3:36:49 AM PST by drewh
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To: Brandonmark

Well, if Hillary still has a chance to win I better get that Series 4 De-atomizer before Hillary bans them...


126 posted on 11/27/2016 3:43:15 AM PST by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: All

When team Trump hinted it might not prosecute the Clintons, I really didn’t care because I thought they were SMART enough to fade into the din.....I now know that the Clintons must be ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED WITHOUT MERCY for the sake of this country....IF THEY STEAL THIS, there will be blood.


127 posted on 11/27/2016 4:07:01 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Salamander

Texans and native Tennesseans sound much the same. My ancestor immigrated to the Appalachians from Scotland in the 1700’s during the Scottish clearances. My ancestors go all the way back to King David of Scotland myy direct ancestor fought with Washington during the Revolutionary War.

I can usually tell the different Southern accents by state but it’s hard for me to tell Texans from Tennesseans.


128 posted on 11/27/2016 4:13:34 AM PST by Tennessee Conservative
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To: GilGil
There is a disclaimer on her web site that the funds she is raising won’t necessarily be used for a recount.

Wouldn't surprise me that she would use the funds to pay off her campaign debts............

129 posted on 11/27/2016 4:32:39 AM PST by varon (There's always room for one more on the hanging tree.....)
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To: Ray76

“... the voting machines used in Wisconsin were banned ...”

Wisconsin does not use machines or any sort (and has not in the dozen years I’ve lived here), but uses all paper ballots marked with a felt pen and optically scanned. No internet connections. No ‘hacking’ is possible. No idea where that California bit originates, but it is false.


130 posted on 11/27/2016 4:46:22 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: drewh

Why isn’t stein claiming election fraud & demanding a recount in virginia or california?


131 posted on 11/27/2016 4:56:18 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Stein doesn't want a recount in states won by C, only in states won by Trump so as to deny those electors. I expect more challenges in other Trump-won states just as a delay tactic.

I love watching the Rats squirm!

132 posted on 11/27/2016 5:03:54 AM PST by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
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To: drewh

wow, Hitlery was actually reasonably attractive once upon a time.


133 posted on 11/27/2016 5:08:41 AM PST by a real Sheila (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!!!)
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To: drewh

It is a scam, why do you think she belongs to the GREEN party? Green as in $$$$. Liberals are nothing but a bunch of crooks, ALL of them are! They can’t even protest in the street without breaking the law, and I hope when Trump takes office he puts in motion the prosecution of these punks, especially Hillary. He said he doesn’t want to, well look what the hell she is doing! She is behind this with Jill Stein, like the little rat she is, she is still trying to steal the election. Trump is going to allow a woman like that to roam about free in public? She is a CRIMINAL, she belongs in JAIL.


134 posted on 11/27/2016 5:20:29 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hillary Clinton IS a felon.)
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To: ducttape45

It’s a scam to get money, just like Trump said. Liberals are crooks, ALL of them and I hope when Trump takes office he starts locking them up, this is BS, I’m sick of this crap. One criminal act after another after another after another and nobody ever does anything about it.


135 posted on 11/27/2016 5:22:31 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hillary Clinton IS a felon.)
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To: drewh

Nice dyke outfit she is wearing, what is she suppose to be, Hillary the dyke pimp? I really hope Trump is not backing down in getting this bitch locked up. The Clintons are career criminals, they belong in JAIL! We are not talking about one criminal act by this duo, this is countless criminal acts going back decades, both of them should be doing life and it is outrageous why they are walking around free. The are a public nuisance and a danger to society, Trump damn well knows they’ve been involved in murder and I hope he does the right thing and finally gets them locked up.


136 posted on 11/27/2016 5:26:33 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hillary Clinton IS a felon.)
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To: SoCalConservative

Tell me about it, just seeing a photo of her gets me nauseous and hearing her voice is like fingernails on a blackboard. Thank GOD Trump won, I don’t think I could have withstood even a few months with her as POTUS, with that freakin shrill parrot from hell voice of her “WHY AREN’T I 50 POINTS AHEAD! RAAAH!”


137 posted on 11/27/2016 5:29:27 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hillary Clinton IS a felon.)
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To: drewh

Jill Stein...resident of Assachusetts who was born in Chicago.


138 posted on 11/27/2016 5:34:31 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: WilliamIII
so what happens if they don’t complete their recounts?

I think the states that have not completed their vote count and certification lose their electoral votes.

If the loss of electoral drops Trumps EV vote count below 270 the election of the president goes to the House of Representatives.

There the house makes a selection from the three candidates with the highest EV count. The representatives of each state acting as a group gets one vote in the House election to elect the new president.

In like manner the election of the vice president goes to the senate.

With all the RINOs, Never Trumpers and Hillary lovers among the republicans in the House and Senate there is no telling what the outcome would be.


139 posted on 11/27/2016 5:42:32 AM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 50 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Hillary is worse than the devil. Why? The Bi+ch is REAL.


140 posted on 11/27/2016 5:47:06 AM PST by HypatiaTaught (Trump saved the Republic)
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