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The USS Zumwalt Can't Fire Its Guns Because the Ammo Is Too Expensive
Popular Mechanics ^ | November 7, 2016 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 11/07/2016 5:47:10 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: beethovenfan
They should get a few hundred rounds.

What is the plan for the next two ships?

21 posted on 11/07/2016 6:01:41 PM PST by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

When you send an $800,000 round to destroy a $20 mud hut, you’ve already lost. It would be way cheaper to take the enemy out for a fancy dinner, get them drunk on champagne, then push them in front of a bus.


22 posted on 11/07/2016 6:02:16 PM PST by IronJack
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To: HiTech RedNeck

But, we need a six inch gun that can hit a target at 26 miles.

Really.

We need that.


23 posted on 11/07/2016 6:03:26 PM PST by sig226
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To: sukhoi-30mki

155mm Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP


24 posted on 11/07/2016 6:04:41 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"...LRLAP round costs $800,000..."

It's a 155 round for crying out loud!
On the bright side, it's still (slightly) cheaper than a cruise missile....

25 posted on 11/07/2016 6:04:55 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Evidently, the stupid from Obama is contagious.


26 posted on 11/07/2016 6:06:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Navy developed the Advanced Gun System, which has zero capability to target other ships.

Whose smart idea was this?

27 posted on 11/07/2016 6:06:42 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I don’t see the need for such a high tech gun. If you need pinpoint accuracy, maybe they could develop a cheaper smaller cruise missile.


28 posted on 11/07/2016 6:07:26 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hat Tip to Lockheed Martin ..

Now I see why it’s worth 240 bucks a share.

Didn’t FBI dude work with them?


29 posted on 11/07/2016 6:09:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
" The radar signature of the 610 foot long warship is that of a 50-foot fishing boat... "

Oh, they'll never figure that out. /s

30 posted on 11/07/2016 6:10:21 PM PST by OKSooner (She was practiced at the art of deception, I could tell by her bloodstained hands.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
but they can afford $26.00 A GALLON BIOFUEL!!!
31 posted on 11/07/2016 6:11:51 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

In the 1970s, the USAF was facing a similar (though much cheaper problem) with depleted uranium rounds for the GAU-8 gun on the A-10. The service was willing to pay up to $80 a round, and each jet has a max load of more than 2,000 for the 30mm, tank-busting gun.

An Air Force Colonel named Bob Dilger thought that was ridiculous. He tried a different approach (and broke most of the contracting rules in the process). Dilger approached Aerojet and Honeywell, the two firms vying for the 30mm ammo contract. Dilger told them that whoever submitted the lowest, guaranteed bid would receive the entire A-10 ammo contract for the next fiscal year.

The power of capitalism and competition. The two contractors kept slashing costs to get the contract and at one point, they were producing ammo for $8-10 a round, roughly 10% of the original Air Force estimate.

They will never get unit costs that low for the Zumwalt’s deck gun, but the current price is absurd. A little creativity is in order.


32 posted on 11/07/2016 6:15:28 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: beethovenfan

Well said


33 posted on 11/07/2016 6:27:57 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What does a 16” HE Naval Rifle Slug, and associated powder bags, cost?


34 posted on 11/07/2016 6:33:00 PM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well, we’ve got a gun that won’t shoot, but at least the Navy allows dudes to wear dresses.


35 posted on 11/07/2016 6:34:55 PM PST by lurk (TEat)
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To: Billthedrill

“According to Defense News, the LRLAP round costs $800,000...

Roughly what I’m paying for .22LR ammo at the moment... :-)”

I will be glad to furnish you some .22LR for half that price.


36 posted on 11/07/2016 6:35:24 PM PST by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: AFreeBird

A couple billion, because we can’t make them any more. Have to start production from scratch. Then we have to rebuild a ship to fire them.


37 posted on 11/07/2016 6:43:44 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AFreeBird

$30k a round for 16” shell. Three of those - close enough ought to do fine.


38 posted on 11/07/2016 6:45:27 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: smokingfrog

Well, if they’d developed it properly, it could have been hell on wheels against other ships as well as ground targets as well as possibly against many air targets. Instead, the dev program was run by morons - morons who deleted the gun’s ability to fire regular 155mm rounds.

Or they could have already gone with railguns. But the Navy canceled the (very minimal) funding for researching WB series of fusion reactors needed to power the railguns (since nuclear fission is a no-no now) so they could do diversity and integration and now this is where we’re at.


39 posted on 11/07/2016 6:47:11 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: azcap

What currently ready-to-deploy asset do you propose to fire them from? We can’t make any more guns and we decommissioned the last two of our battleships in the 2000s and sold them off. The US Navy no longer has any battleships or indeed any capability to fire 16” shells. Not in active service, not in the reserves, not in the mothball fleet.


40 posted on 11/07/2016 6:49:59 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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