Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 03/06/2016 7:56:20 AM PST by SkyPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
To: SkyPilot

Some of the regionals pay very low, approaching minimum wage. Only attraction is flight time to get on the big carriers.


2 posted on 03/06/2016 7:59:13 AM PST by rstrahan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

Just noticed your freep name.


3 posted on 03/06/2016 7:59:18 AM PST by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

Quick, summon the H1b visa genie!

Flooding the pilot pool with underpaid muslim imports will fix everything.

What could possibly go wrong?


4 posted on 03/06/2016 8:00:31 AM PST by sevlex
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

Plus millenials think driving a stick shift is beyond their capabilities.

No wonder.


5 posted on 03/06/2016 8:01:38 AM PST by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot
As the article points out, the pay for regional pilots is atrocious. A pilot who was not former military or did not have a corporate aviation job must pay a small fortune out of his own pocket to get the hours that is required since the accident in Buffalo. That co-pilot made about $17,000 a year. Instead of increasing salaries for the regionals, the FAA and the airlines simply put the burdern of more flying hours required on the pilot applicants.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Regional carriers pay pilots an average of $27,350 per year, according to Paul Ryder, a captain at ExpressJet Airlines who is active with the ALPA. That compares with an annual salary of $103,390 at large airlines, according to US Labor Department data.

Aspiring pilots must pay between $150,000 to $200,00 to obtain their license, Ryder said.

Three years ago, US regulators stiffened the requirements on pilots following a 2009 Colgan Air crash near Buffalo, New York, that killed 49 people.

Commercial pilots must now have 1,500 hours of flight time before qualifying for their pilot's license, compared with just 250 prior to the rule shift.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

So if you want to be an airline pilot, which can be one of the most stressful jobs in the world with an awesome responsibility, you can look forward to being paid peanuts at the regionals.

6 posted on 03/06/2016 8:01:52 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot
The Law of Unintended Consequences

Yes the pay is a factor, but for me when they required 1,500 hours to be hired is the real reason of the shortage.

alot pilots or pilots wannabees don't want to work for a living, so they have in the past accepted the lower wages

9 posted on 03/06/2016 8:07:53 AM PST by saywhatagain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

There is a pilot shortage?

Forgive my ignorance, since I just saw “An Officer and a Gentleman” again last night. But aren’t pilots with military training still a big source of pilots for airlines? Or has our military downsized so that they just aren’t producing that many? Or are many military pilots staying in making a career in the military, rather than retiring from the military and becoming pilots in civilian life???


10 posted on 03/06/2016 8:09:27 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

bfl


16 posted on 03/06/2016 8:17:59 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (Political Correctness is a kool-aid drinking suicide cult)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

According to my friends who have retired from the USAF in the last ten years, and now fly for the airlines, it is a pretty well paid job of bus driver.

They will always tell me that flying for a living is great. But the hours and the work “conditions” —(the long routes and what not)—get tiring after a while.

But as a friend of mine who flew in Iraq in ‘90 and ‘03, it is nice not to be shot at.


29 posted on 03/06/2016 9:09:56 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

Hire the Muzzies, that’s what they’re here for, aren’t they...

Oh...wait.


32 posted on 03/06/2016 9:18:29 AM PST by Thorliveshere
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

And yet America has 95 million working-age adults out of the labor force.

We are a nation with many, very great, contradictions.


34 posted on 03/06/2016 9:21:55 AM PST by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

They can start by paying pilots a decent salary.


36 posted on 03/06/2016 9:27:37 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

The article didn’t mention the root cause of the pilot shortages.

IMHO the root cause is the downsiszing of the American Military. Like it or not for over 30 years the Department of Defense ran the world’s largest technical training school system. And to a large degree it still does today.

Where else can a recent high school graduate with no money learn technical skills like every job in the airline industry? Where else could the high school graduate learn the inter-personal skills required to be a good employee and lower to mid level manager?

The technical training costs thousands of dollars - the personnel skills cost even more - time.

Jump to college graduates and the same rules apply

Reduced number of military pilots means fewer future civilian pilots and higher training costs at every level.

For the smaller regional airlines it means higher training costs (dollars and time) than they can absorb. Thus the problem will continue and deepen.


40 posted on 03/06/2016 9:35:28 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

This is coming to all industries and government offices. This is a demographic contraction of the experienced work force. The boomers will benefit if they want to keep working as companies will bend over backwards to keep them. My generation, Gen-X, simply does not have enough people to replace the boomers, so we will also benefit when it hits the fan. Automation may fix this problem in some areas, but demographics is a powerful force on economies.


43 posted on 03/06/2016 9:37:41 AM PST by Gen-X-Dad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

Just came across story in the local paper related to this.
http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=69215


45 posted on 03/06/2016 9:38:49 AM PST by winodog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot
Several large foreign carriers recruit potential pilots and put them thru a rigorous training program that assures the airline that they have replacement pilots in the pipe line.
The newly minted pilots are obligated to fly for the airline for a period of time, perhaps five years, most stay with the airline that sponsored their training. My question ... do US carriers have similar pilot training programs.
51 posted on 03/06/2016 9:59:12 AM PST by BluH2o
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

That’s what you get when you think you can pay highly skilled people $15.00 an hour, might as well work at McDonalds.


52 posted on 03/06/2016 10:00:02 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot

They destroyed general aviation due to all the associated sky high costs, now airlines are complaining of lack of pilots?

Most can’t even afford the schooling/training....lol


57 posted on 03/06/2016 10:54:39 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


59 posted on 03/06/2016 11:24:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SkyPilot
Quick! Hire ISLAMIC PILOTS!

Because Diversity! Also #NeverTrump !

...oh wait.

61 posted on 03/06/2016 11:50:07 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson