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LIVE call from Refuge -- FBI Seige Happening.
Youtube Live ^ | 2/10/15 | Gavin Sein

Posted on 02/10/2016 5:44:59 PM PST by Rebelbase

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To: Paradox

...except to show the contrast between the iron first of an over-reaching, totalitarian govt and a peaceful ‘occupation’ to all that wish to see.

821 posted on 02/11/2016 11:29:32 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: ifinnegan

I’m no Trump plant, and I’ve been around since the late 90’s.
My opinion is no less relevant than your’s. Had the privilege of voting for Reagan in my first election.

See this election as the pure candidate, Cruz vs the electable candidate, Trump. Would rather have Trump than Hillary.

If FR is a nothing more than a TIN FOIL hat site, where a bunch of guys sitting around scratching each others backs, really whats the point, go talk to yourself in the mirror.

Finally I like Cruz, but in my OPINION he has no chance to win the general.

822 posted on 02/11/2016 12:46:54 PM PST by QuigleyDU
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To: Rebelbase

Thank God. I was unable to listen because of work. I feared the worst.

823 posted on 02/11/2016 1:20:59 PM PST by luvie (Cruz or Lose! "Where the vision is lost, the people perish"--Proverbs 29:18)
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To: ifinnegan

I don’t disagree with you about this poster.
Just let me know when you’d like a list of brand new Cruz posters, who are equally transparent.

824 posted on 02/11/2016 4:27:12 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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The FBI are not leftists - they are hardcore fascists.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are right about that, the old FBI is now gone because of Obama Fascism, which has crystallized the FBI into a fascist institution:

Good Read:

Barrak Obama, The Quintessential Fascist

Few people appreciate what this means in terms of fascism. I am glad you do.FBI now stands for Fascist Bureau of Investigations subjugated by Lynch, and the good FBI people loyal to the Constitution, early retired,demoted or fired.The FBI cannot even process an indictment against any of the current liberal fascists such as Hillary Clinton.

825 posted on 02/12/2016 2:31:29 AM PST by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(
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To: DrewsMum

You had asked if they tried to “legally” resolve the problems. Here is an article that gives some perspective on what these ranchers have been through.

Up Front Spindled & Mutilated

By C.J. Hadley

Editor, Range Magazine

Hage. Gardner. Dann. Yowell. Colvin. Bundy. Tomera. Filippini. Borba. Hammond. Good hadleyranchers all, cowboys and Indians who had private property rights on federal land in the American West. All have been abused by federal agents of the Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Forest Service, U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service or the National Park Service. Some cattle have been taken at gunpoint, some ranch families have been destroyed, and the abuse was not earned.

The Hages—who have historic grazing preferences and property rights dating back to the 1860s in central Nevada—have been defending themselves against the government since 1979, and in court (Hage v. United States) since 1991. There have been major decisions in their favor. Judge Loren A. Smith, of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in Washington, D.C., ruled in 2010 that the government owed the Hages $14 million (including interest) under the “takings clause” of the 5th Amendment. Three members of the family have died since the case started and when it’s time to pay up, the Department of Justice brings out a new crop of highly paid lawyers to harass the Hages again. One Forest Service ranger said in the early ’90s: “Hage can’t win. We have more money and more lawyers.” Paid for by honest taxpayers! (Go to and click on Special Info/Hage at the bottom of the Home Page.)

In a recent trespass case brought by BLM and FS against the Hages, Federal District Court Judge Robert C. Jones ruled in favor of the family, noting that two agencies of the federal government entered into a “literal, intentional conspiracy to deprive the Hages not only of their permits but also their vested water rights. This behavior shocks the conscience of the Court.” DOJ appealed and the 9th Circuit overruled Judge Jones on Jan. 15, 2016. Next step: the Supreme Court.

But it isn’t just Hage. The Bundys in Bunkerville, Nev., were the last family standing after federal agents used the “endangered” desert tortoise to pressure 50 Clark County ranch families off their ranges. Cliven Bundy’s forebears had been running cattle on that southern desert since the 1800s and in 1991 he refused to sign a BLM grazing permit that would have destroyed his livelihood. Bundy was willing to pay fees but not commit ranch suicide. Sadly, BLM would not accept his fees without a signed permit and since that time BLM has euthanized excess desert tortoises.

But don’t forget the Hammonds in Oregon. Decades of relentless harassment by federal agents have put Dwight Hammond, 74, and son Steven, 46, in federal prison for five years each for “domestic terrorism.” Their crime? A controlled burn to improve the resource and a backburn to save their ranch and range from a lightning fire. While the Hammonds accidentally burned about 140 acres of public land in both fires and damaged nothing, federal agents burned millions of acres, destroyed homes, barns, fences and range, and killed livestock, horses and wildlife, with no reprimand or jail time.

BLM and FWS want the Hammond Ranch. The agencies have blocked the family’s stock waters and access roads to their high-country grazing land, canceled their legal grazing permits, and seem determined to destroy ranch and family so that they can add that private land to the 187,000-acre Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (see map). Besides being locked up in California, the Hammonds had to pay $400,000 by Dec. 31, 2015, for destroying federal land and were forced to give first option on their ranch to the BLM—the agency working to destroy them.

At press time, Bundy sons, Ammon and Ryan, with armed friends, were protesting the Hammonds’ sentence, holed up in the refuge visitor center “until the Hammonds are set free.” Meanwhile, President Obama has released 195,900 felons early (some guilty of homicide, rape and kidnapping) while two good ranchers are languishing in prison.

CONTACT: C.J. Hadley, Editor, RANGE magazine,

P.O. Box 639, Carson City, NV 89702 1-775-884-2200 1-800-RANGE-4-U

826 posted on 02/12/2016 6:13:37 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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