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FR Thread of NYT's article : Bob Dole Warns of 'Cataclysmic' Losses With Ted Cruz, and Says Donald Trump Would Do Better

Bob Dole: "I question [Cruz's] allegiance to the party,"

Bob Dole: "I don't know how [Cruz's] going to deal with Congress," he said. "Nobody likes him."

Bob Dole: "Mr. Trump could "probably work with Congress, because he's, you know, he's got the right personality and he's kind of a deal-maker."

1 posted on 01/20/2016 11:32:56 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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2 posted on 01/20/2016 11:34:51 PM PST by South40 ("One of the reasons I like Ted Cruz so much, is that he's not controversial," ~Donald Trump)
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It’s important not to forget that only a few weeks ago, Trump singularly upset the whole election apple cart!

Trump set the national agenda by opposing illegal immigration and bringing up other issues that the GOPe and their allies desperately wanted to avoid, and now they can’t.

The GOPe was not prepared for this, and as a consequence they don’t have a clue about what to do, hence their almost universal collapse into a pile of quivering jello, flip-flopping like a bag of Mexican jumping beans dumped on a hot griddle.

Trump has exposed those who pretend to be conservative but are really just fronts for big money establishment campaign donors who purchase their candidates with campaign “donations”.

Trump, by actually being a real man, has exposed the other candidates (Cruz excepting of course) and their allies for the weak little sniveling sellouts that they really are.

Trump’s vociferous truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media have been the catalyst that triggered a massive revolt amongst conservative voters who are infuriated at the GOPe Congress doing absolutely ZERO to stop Obama’s agenda, and suddenly the GOP RINO leadership is in full blown panic mode and in full blown retreat, and the SMALL conservative House contingent smelt blood in the water, took heart, and charged in against a weakened, frightened and paralyzed GOPe leadership, and Boehner was taken out as a sacrificial lamb.

Trump is absolutely correct when he says that without Trump in the race, everything would be same-ol’, same-ol. The Joyful Tippy-Toes Turtle would be creeping closer to the finish line, Boehner would still be safely ensconced as Speaker, and there would be no mention of illegal immigration are any of the issues surrounding it by any politician in either party, other than possibly how critical it would be to pass immigration “reform”.

The media are loath to make the connection, but it’s obvious that the Boehner resignation was yet another falling domino, toppling due to the Trump Effect, because Trump’s unabashed truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media triggered a revolt amongst the great unwashed GOP masses which emboldened a few conservative Congress critters to grow a few pairs.

And we wouldn’t even be having ANY of these conversations about illegal immigration and the myriad of other Obammunist issues destroying our country if it wasn’t for Trump. Instead, we’d simply be debating which RINO, GOPe squish would be least likely to be stomped by Hillary, and the GOPe would once again be exhorting the “base” about how critical it is for us to once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, that is, vote for the GOPe side of the Uniparty coin.

And do note that ALL of the oligarchs and plutocrats are frightened to death of Donald Trump because the billionaires and millionaires can’t buy him like all of the other politicians they routinely purchase, because Trump doesn’t need nor want their money, and the kommie media is frightened to death of him because he isn’t afraid of them either, the bottom line being that Donald Trump can not be controlled by the rich and powerful or the corrupt media, so for anyone who is truly for campaign finance reform and wants to take money out of politics, voting for Trump is the only reasonable choice.

President Trump is really the last hope for this country: if he can’t undo any of the damage wrought by the Obammunists, the U.S.A. is done.

So least we forget, the above, and much more, are called “The Trump Effect”.


3 posted on 01/20/2016 11:35:28 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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No, he is just recognized by them as being the inevitable winner and they think they can work with him better than Creepy Cruz.... who they hate...like pretty much everybody else in America...but not in Canada...because that’s where he was born....naturally.


6 posted on 01/20/2016 11:38:33 PM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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Jeb: The Only Chance Hillary Becomes President Is If We Nominate Trump
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/20/jeb-the-only-chance-hillary-becomes-president-is-if-we-nominate-trump/


8 posted on 01/20/2016 11:40:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ 2016)
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CW. Just keep throwing more s#€t at the wall to see if it sticks. Cruz must really be worried needing fools to post crap.


9 posted on 01/20/2016 11:43:44 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump Cruz "Can't we all just get along?" lol)
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.... I mean these are real establishment people, that I’ve known when I was a member of the establishment — meaning a giver, a big donor. But they are contacting us — Corey [Trump’s campaign manager], I think we can say...
AND TRUMP SAYS HE CAN’T BE BOUGHT, YEAH RIGHT LMAO.


11 posted on 01/20/2016 11:44:50 PM PST by libbylu (Trump's supporters have the same brain disease as Hillary's supporters)
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I think they prefer Trump because he no idea about separation of powers, an appreciation for states’ rights, etc.

It wouldn’t occur to him that an existing, let alone proposed program, is no business of the Federal Government.


15 posted on 01/20/2016 11:51:04 PM PST by Nickname
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This is a lot of bunk.

The GOPe is just trying to look close to him so they can stick a knife in his back.

They know damn well they can work with Cruz because their fat cat funding champs have Mrs. Cruz in their pocket already. Ted's chicken dung excuse for making TPP easy to pass is proof the GOPe can rely on him when push comes to shove.

21 posted on 01/20/2016 11:59:52 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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Nah, that’s too tinfoil. Trump is a tool of Trump. Sadly, he’s made many wonderful conservatives his tools because they want to believe he’s not using them for his own personal gain. Also, the GOPe will use whatever tool they can to bring down Cruz, and right now Trump’s tantrums are giving them plenty of free air time.


28 posted on 01/21/2016 12:14:56 AM PST by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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Seems possible. Trump could be a Rove/RINO plant. Something voters will need to evaluate for themselves.


29 posted on 01/21/2016 12:15:49 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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Trump in 2009 praised obama so yeah Trump pulling a jedi mind trick on many


31 posted on 01/21/2016 12:36:47 AM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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Trump eventually says nice things about most everyone he has to work with. For example, Nikki Haley looked very relieved that Trump didn’t eat her for lunch at the last debate. Now she’s indebted to him in a sense, which keeps her from becoming an enemy, which is what he needs to help win SC. I think they know that he’ll reward good behavior by making them look good. But if they fight him, there’ll be heck to pay.

I believe some of these people are lining up because they’re realizing what side their bread is going to be buttered on and they’re positioning themselves to be rewarded rather than punished.


32 posted on 01/21/2016 12:57:53 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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Is Trump a McConnell-Rove Establishment Tool?

Ah, the old 'say some B.S. thing, but hide it as a question' thing for which Fox News got deservedly maligned.

Is the American Thinker a crappy third-rate blog?

36 posted on 01/21/2016 1:42:30 AM PST by ScottWalkerForPresident2016
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RINO Rand Paul endorsed Mitch McConnell
RINO Jim DeMint endorsed Lindsey Graham

All RINOs I tell ya!


43 posted on 01/21/2016 2:23:58 AM PST by 2A_Defender
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This is so beyond ridiculous that it deserves a longer post than I have to give it right now.

But briefly, for now:

First of all Dole part of the establishment? Please, he’s a retired old geezer who has exactly ZERO influence on ANYBODY.

Second of all, WHEN the establishment accepts Trump, AND MOVES INTO HIS CORNER, does that mean that Trump has joined the establishment. NO!

IT MEANS TRUMP WON AND THE ESTABLISHMENT IS FOLLOWING *HIM*.

He is running for President of the United States.

Oh Great Conservative Purists, let me ask you this:

Is the President of the United States an OUTSIDER????

Of course Trump is running to become the ultimate insider, that is what the PRESIDENT is.

That is what your Canadian Candidate will be if he could somehow run the gauntlet of voters and courts (.00001% chance, I know, but just for the sake of argument).

If Cruz The Canadian somehow became President of the United States, he too would be INSIDER NUMBER ONE.

He would be the LEADER OF THE INSIDERS.

That IS the whole point of this election, Oh Great But Not So Bright Conservative Purists.

YOUR Canadian candidate is running to obtain the same ultimate support of INSIDERS that our American candidate is running to obtain.

So cut the crap, ok?

If the insiders run to Trump, it just means Trump is winning, Oh Great But Not So Bright Conservative Purists.


51 posted on 01/21/2016 3:26:20 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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A number of disciples went to the Buddha and said, “Sir, there are living here in Savatthi many wandering hermits and scholars who indulge in constant dispute, some saying that the world is infinite and eternal and others that it is finite and not eternal, some saying that the soul dies with the body and others that it lives on forever, and so forth. What, Sir, would you say concerning them?”

The Buddha answered, “Once upon a time there was a certain raja who called to his servant and said, ‘Come, good fellow, go and gather together in one place all the men of Savatthi who were born blind... and show them an elephant.’ ‘Very good, sire,’ replied the servant, and he did as he was told. He said to the blind men assembled there, ‘Here is an elephant,’ and to one man he presented the head of the elephant, to another its ears, to another a tusk, to another the trunk, the foot, back, tail, and tuft of the tail, saying to each one that that was the elephant.

“When the blind men had felt the elephant, the raja went to each of them and said to each, ‘Well, blind man, have you seen the elephant? Tell me, what sort of thing is an elephant?’

“Thereupon the men who were presented with the head answered, ‘Sire, an elephant is like a pot.’ And the men who had observed the ear replied, ‘An elephant is like a winnowing basket.’ Those who had been presented with a tusk said it was a ploughshare. Those who knew only the trunk said it was a plough; others said the body was a grainery; the foot, a pillar; the back, a mortar; the tail, a pestle, the tuft of the tail, a brush.

“Then they began to quarrel, shouting, ‘Yes it is!’ ‘No, it is not!’ ‘An elephant is not that!’ ‘Yes, it’s like that!’ and so on, till they came to blows over the matter.

“Brethren, the raja was delighted with the scene.

“Just so are these preachers and scholars holding various views blind and unseeing.... In their ignorance they are by nature quarrelsome, wrangling, and disputatious, each maintaining reality is thus and thus.”

Then the Exalted One rendered this meaning by uttering this verse of uplift,

O how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
For preacher and monk the honored name!
For, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
Such folk see only one side of a thing.

Jainism and Buddhism. Udana 68-69:
Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant


58 posted on 01/21/2016 3:54:15 AM PST by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
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Conservatives are the Blacks on the GOP plantation.

For decades we have shook our heads wondering why blacks line up to vote for the Dims decade after decade despite the utter destruction the Dims have brought to their community.

Trump has made many of them realize Conservatives are the Blacks of the GOP plantation. We line up year after year, sacrifice our time and money, and what do we get? A GOP political machine this is virtually identical to the Dims who comes around every 2 years saying “If you just give us this, everything will be awesome.”

Ask yourself this. Despite giving the entire Government to the GOP under Bush, was any item on the Conservative agenda advanced?

Sadly the answer is NO. And what many of us are realizing is the tools of the Conservative establishment i.e. Town-hall, Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth, NRO, Weekly Standard, Fox News, etc are the GOP equivalents of the “Civil Rights Leaders” that keep Blacks on the Democrat's plantation.

Cruz is just the latest red herring of this “keep the Conservatives on the plantation” stick. Cruz does not have the ability to go over the heads of the political/media/business machine and get the American people behind him. Cruz will mouth all the right slogans and do nothing but what the Political/Media/Business machine tells him to do. If he oppose them, he will be tied up with phony media manufactured scandals and a uniformly hostile Congressional Leadership until he knuckles under in desperation to build SOMETHING for his "legacy".

This is why people need to quit worshiping the career politicians who happen to mouth the proper slogans. Under the surface, all professional politicians are driven by ego and the ambition to write their names in the History books.

77 posted on 01/21/2016 5:05:52 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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So Trump is taking money from the establishment?


79 posted on 01/21/2016 5:27:36 AM PST by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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Is Trump a McConnell-Rove Establishment Tool?

the answer is yes.

I can give you 3 reason why, that happened just this week.

1) He supports the Ethanol subsidies, thereby supporting big government.

2) Cruz called out McConnell for lying, which McConnell did.
Trump sided with McConnell, saying he had to make deals with Congress, just like the Establishment wants him to do.

3) He said “Cruz would be worse than Hillary”, proving that he thinks higher of Bengazi-email-scandal-ridden-big-government Hillary Clinton than he does Ted Cruz.

Trump is becoming a louder version of Lindsay Graham-John McCain right before our very eyes.

It only took a week.


83 posted on 01/21/2016 6:15:19 AM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.)
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Lol, Cruz is the GOPe tool Rove and others hope will win enough delegates to deny Trump a majority and create a brokered convention.

Cruz is their hope to continue the GOP status quo.


84 posted on 01/21/2016 7:02:23 AM PST by Will88
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