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Horowitz: It's Beyond Time For A Cold-Eyed Look At Trump's Record
Conservative Review ^ | January 13th, 2016 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 01/13/2016 1:23:05 PM PST by Isara

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To: Isara
But isnt it time for a serious discussion about whether we are really certain we know what the day after looks like with a Trump nomination given his track record, even as it relates to immigration?

A question to ask concerning any candidate, and especially Ted Cruz who, until Trump announced almost three months after Cruz, and blew up the primary with his stances on illegal immigration and one-sided trade deals, all Cruz had said on immigration was how he wanted to quintuple H1-Bs and streamline legal immigration and make it something to celebrate.

And, of course, Cruz joined the Uniparty globalist sorts in casting his vote to help the TPA, fast track trade authority, over the 60 vote hurdle.

Cruz has made many changes in his immigration stances since Trump made the issue among the top issues of the campaign. Based on his past stances and flip/flops since Trump's entry into the race, Horowitz definitely needs to have Cruz at the top of his list of those to scrutinize much more closely, along with Marco Rubio, both based on inconsistencies on the critical issues of immigration and one-sided trade deals. "What the day after looks like", indeed.

I absolutely do not trust Cruz on those critical issues.

21 posted on 01/13/2016 1:42:58 PM PST by Will88
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To: SoConPubbie

Trump on 9/9/15:
“I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to,” Trump said in his first Fox News appearance in two weeks, appearing on “The O’Reilly Factor.”

“This was started by President Obama when he didn’t go in and do the job he should have when he drew the line in the sand, which turned out to be a very artificial line,” Trump said in reference to Obama’s red-line warning to Syrian leader Bashar Assad in 2013. “But you know, it’s living in hell in Syria. There’s no question about it. They’re living in hell, and something has to be done.”

When he saw the mess in Europe and the opportunity for ISIS to sneak in, he changed. Not unreasonable.


22 posted on 01/13/2016 1:43:02 PM PST by Rennes Templar (I'm pro gun control: keep your guns under your control at all times.)
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To: SoConPubbie

In before the Trumpsters trash Horowitz!”

He trashes himself the way he support the establishment.


23 posted on 01/13/2016 1:46:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: CodeToad
He trashes himself the way he support the establishment.

More unqualified B.S. from the Trumpsters!
24 posted on 01/13/2016 1:48:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Isara

I imagine we should only look at the parts of his record that Horowitz wants us to look at.

There are other parts of his record that are important to me

* he wasn’t member of the disastrous 2015 majority-R congress (Cruz gets a pass from me on this)

* he wasn’t an active part of the party that let Obama, Pelosi, and other Ds walk all over them for the last 7 years and who were an embarrassment on spending the 8 years before that

* he’s a good executive - managed many large projects, with large/diverse hierarchies of employees and large budgets

* he understands budgets, economy, international trade issues

* he seems to take advice from experts under him rather than assume that he (or an external group like the GOP) knows better.

* he isn’t trading his future decision making options for donations and party endorsements today and won’t be making decisions the first 4 years in order to get the same donations/endorsements for the next election


25 posted on 01/13/2016 1:48:40 PM PST by LostPassword
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To: SoConPubbie

Well I couldn’t get in before the Conservative Twister board so, “In before the Ted Cruz Star Wars poster!”


26 posted on 01/13/2016 1:49:05 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: SoConPubbie

Horowitz always was a GOPe Rino

This will help all of those who want him under the bus.


27 posted on 01/13/2016 1:49:40 PM PST by woofie
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To: VanDeKoik

Thats gonna leave a mark.


28 posted on 01/13/2016 1:50:38 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Rennes Templar
“I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to,” Trump said

Someone earlier mentioned some parallels with Arnold in CA. Here, in MA, I'm seeing parallels with Curt Shilling. Curt made initial motions to run for Sinate. After some interviews, some speeches, it became clear to most he could espouse some conservative ideas in concept, but his core was no way Jose a conservative, and did not understand its fundamentals.

29 posted on 01/13/2016 1:51:09 PM PST by C210N (Supporting the Constitutional Conservative in the race. Constitutional Conservative Cruz.)
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To: SoConPubbie
In before the Trumpsters trash Horowitz!

I think Mr. Trump is telling people what they want to hear. He is media savvy. I do not trust him. Obama made himself a human mirror that made people believe he reflected them.

30 posted on 01/13/2016 1:51:27 PM PST by Stepan12 (Our present appeasementof Islam is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.)
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To: Isara

Trump has two big things going for him.

1. He is proud to be an American. His past reveals that.

2. He isn’t afraid to say conservative or rightist opinions despite the enemedia and despite the political establishment.


31 posted on 01/13/2016 1:52:16 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists s the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: Isara

Trump has two big things going for him.

1. He is proud to be an American. His past reveals that.

2. He isn’t afraid to say conservative or rightist opinions despite the enemedia and despite the political establishment.


32 posted on 01/13/2016 1:52:18 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists s the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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“But as is the case with so many other issues where he was siding with the far-left until running for president, immigration is no different. His first intuition in September, when the refugee crisis flared up, was to say that we had a humanitarian obligation to bring in Syrian refugees. Then when he discovered that conservatives were so ardently opposed to it, he immediately did a 180 and categorically opposed it in his typical attention-grabbing fashion. At that point there was no turning around, and because the media was attacking his new position from the Left, everyone forgot (or never noticed) his first intuition.”

Is this better?


33 posted on 01/13/2016 1:52:32 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.)
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To: Isara

Not a bad article. A bit untruthful about Trump, but I agree that he needs to flesh out some of his current positions more. One of Trumps strongest points is he has vision. You have to understand that much of what Trump promises are starting points for negotiation. I would like him to identify in more detail where he thinks he can lead America. What will it look like after a Trump term? Then it will be easier to reconcile whether his existing proposals makes sense in getting us to the promised land.

I would like to see this from all the candidates.


34 posted on 01/13/2016 1:54:42 PM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: VanDeKoik
It is a very rare thing for a freshman Senator to have legislation passed in the Senate, but Cruz has gotten a couple of bills through. His bill to force the Dept. of Defense to declare the Ft. Hood victims as Purple Heart recipients with benefits passed 99/0. Also:

"We stopped the Gang of Eight bill. Ted Cruz led the fight against the establishment would be living under amnesty right now if Cruz had not succeeded." - Rush Limbaugh.

"It was that close to being passed... and I think I can say this with integrity. Without the vigorous opposition of Ted Cruz, this bill likely would have passed._ - Sen. Jeff Session

35 posted on 01/13/2016 1:57:32 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: woofie
Horowitz always was a GOPe Rino

This will help all of those who want him under the bus.


Maybe so, maybe not but that does not take away from the truth he has written.

Try addressing the facts of what he wrote instead of using labels to falsely claim nothing he writes or speaks is of value.
36 posted on 01/13/2016 1:57:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

But can Cruz do any deals with Congress or other countries.


37 posted on 01/13/2016 1:58:07 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (How many bills has Ted Cruz passed in the Senate? 1)
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To: Isara

38 posted on 01/13/2016 1:59:23 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: VanDeKoik
The question is WHY did wonder-candidate Cruz and the rest of the GOP suck so badly on reigning in this out of control government.

I can't fault Trump for not having any control since he's outside the system, but you can't dump on Cruz when the more powerful heads of the GOPe (like McCain, McConnell, Boehner, Ryan, and many more) are bad-mouthing him and other true conservatives and rubber-stamping Obama's agenda. Haven't you been paying attention?
39 posted on 01/13/2016 2:02:39 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: conservativejoy

Oh.....

So the easiest freaking bill you could possibly ever get through, and something that Sessions has to bestow credit onto Cruz for.

Well hot damn! 50 state landslide.

If a Democrat had this as their full record and was running for president, we would be wondering what was he on.


40 posted on 01/13/2016 2:04:01 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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