Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Duchess47; SmokingJoe
I am a Trump supporter and both Christian and conservative. I will not stifle my opinions however, to avoid hurting your feelings. I believe Cruz to be dishonest and know that he is not a NBC. Because of that, I am a troll?

Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Lacking that, Please provide the relevant sections of U.S. Federal Law that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Lacking that, Please provide the relevant rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

You won't because you can't because they don't exist anywhere except in your mind and in sources that are not legal or constitutional in nature.
253 posted on 01/03/2016 8:03:08 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 221 | View Replies ]


To: SoConPubbie

Well I’m sure you know as well as I that the Constitution does not lay out a definition of natural born citizen. It only makes the statement that the President must be a natural born citizen while all other offices only require a citizen. The 14th Amendment states all born or naturalized in the United States are citizens. The Constitution also requires Congress defend and punish offenses against the Law of Nations.

The Law of Nations states

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Then there are Supreme Court cases ruling on natural born citizens, one of which is Minor v. Happersett in 1875. It states The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

I do not see where Ted Cruz fits here at all.


288 posted on 01/03/2016 8:19:56 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies ]

To: SoConPubbie; Duchess47; SmokingJoe
Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Oh yeah, my brother can whip your brother. You lawyer types exist solely for the purpose of confusing plain English. Always injecting doubt into commonly understood language makes money for you and tyrants for the rest of us.

299 posted on 01/03/2016 8:29:09 AM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies ]

To: SoConPubbie

“Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define “Natural Born” as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.”

There are many concepts undefined in the Constitution. However, natural born citizenship is defined in the Naturalization Act of 1790 — offspring of two parent citizens

Also, at the time of the Constitution, citizenship descended from the father, and was the case until the 1930s.

Cruz was born in Canada, his mother was a U.S. citizen, his father was not a citizen, he renounced his Canadian citizenship a short time ago, and you want to claim he is a natural born citizen?


318 posted on 01/03/2016 8:39:40 AM PST by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies ]

To: SoConPubbie
The Constitution is not a dictionary.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It does not define Justice, Tranquility, Welfare, Liberty or Posterity. Neither does it define just what a Natural Born Citizen (NBC) is. However at the time the Constitution was written a Natural Born Citizen was defined in Vattel’s "The Law of Nations".

The Marxists favorite trick (after outright lies) is to redefine terms so that the new definition favors their agenda. It saddens me to see Ted adopting their tactic to further his personal ambitions. He knows he is not a NBC.

326 posted on 01/03/2016 8:46:15 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson