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To: Gaffer; Lorianne
The "fake conservative" argument has some validity. However, I think over-reliance on it, or failure to recognize some nuance, can be counterproductive.

I would argue that the Republican party is, in spirit, a conservative party. I would even argue that many "establishment Republicans" enter as conservatives or think they are conservative. However, rather than being duplicitous or traitorous per se, are simply weak-willed. They come into it with good intentions but are too easily cowed by the media and other external forces.

Finally, and this is more of an aside than anything, I think we should consider dropping the phrase "establishment Republican" or "GOPe" as synonyms for RINO. It implies that liberal is the establishment and conservatism is "the fringe," when its really the opposite when you get to the rank and file.

16 posted on 12/31/2015 7:56:23 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole's)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Good points.

How about GOP-fe GOP former establishment ?


19 posted on 12/31/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I can understand your reluctance to divest yourself from it as an entity, but to my mind, the formal “Republican” moniker is now THE symbol of RINO. Look at your Senate, look at your House of Representatives. You probably can’t count up on the fingers of one hand who you think are worthy of your support.

To me, nuance is just another word for equivocation.


26 posted on 12/31/2015 8:06:32 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Finally, and this is more of an aside than anything, I think we should consider dropping the phrase "establishment Republican" or "GOPe" as synonyms for RINO. It implies that liberal is the establishment and conservatism is "the fringe," when its really the opposite when you get to the rank and file.

So, you are saying that we should start calling the GOPe and RINOs "fringe Republicans" and liberals (ie The entire Democrat party) the fringe left? If so, I think I like it.

27 posted on 12/31/2015 8:07:45 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I would even argue that many "establishment Republicans" enter as conservatives or think they are conservative.

I suspect the Stockholm effect comes into play here. They go to Washington with the best of intentions, but are basically surrounded by enemies. Like victims of hostage situations, they adopt the attitudes and beliefs of their enemies. So many people are susceptible to the Stockholm syndrome, it is easy for the entrenched interests to maintain their dominance over government regardless of the will of the people.

This is one reason why I would like to see most government business taking place in the representatives' home states. Surrounded by the people who voted them into office and somewhat protected against the strong interest groups that are resident in DC, they might actually act in the interest of their constituents.

42 posted on 12/31/2015 8:36:54 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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