This is just psychobabbledegook.
Of course we should correct. (the writer’s definition of discipline)
Of course we should not retaliate. (the writer’s definition of punishment)
Psychobabblers hold definitions hostage. I find that entirely too punitive.
Bust their little rears when they misbehave, so you won’t have to do it when their little rears aren’t little any more.
Punishment needs to be used correctly, and with care, as an aspect of discipline. Punishment is not wrong in itself, but needs to be used to correct the child and encourage him to learn proper behavior.
Reward can also be seen as an aspect of discipline. Punish bad behavior, reward good behavior. Always with discretion.
The young girl I am homeschooling does not respond well to physical punishment (spank), or to restrictions. She does respond well to physical punishment as in running until I say stop, push ups, side straddle hops, etc. This is very much like one endures in Marine Corps boot camp and there is a stress factor to it.
I have actually had people call the police on me when I do this. I try not to do it in public, but the public shaming has an even bigger effect. When the police show I ask if they endured such punishment in the academy. The answer is always yes. My response is that it is highly unlikely that they were treated in an illegal manner during law enforcement training. If what I do leaves no marks or harms in anyway, other than stressing her, then it is legal. Furthermore, we can address it now or he can deal with her when she is older. They always understand, laugh, and leave.
Her behavior almost immediately changes after incentive training. I think the exercise causes some sort of chemical or hormonal shift. When she was younger, sleeping and eating had similar effects. I had to judge if the behavior was willful disobedience or sleep and food related.
Sometimes when she is having trouble with school work I have her run, but not as a punishment - no stress, just run or ride your bike or walk up the steep hill, often I would go with her. She would always come back and do better. Again, I think there is some sort of physiological change that made her more receptive to work.
I am not saying this is a fix all, just what works with this child. I am pretty certain Mr. and Mrs Manson could have run Chuckie Manson until he coughed up a lung and he still would be what he is.
As far as schools and abundance of "bums" in schools. Time to revive schools for delinquents.....set up similar to Industry in NYS.
Break these house rules would guarantee discipline, not punishment, with a paddle on the rear end:
1. Lying
2. Hitting a sibling
3.Cursing, even mild words
4. A temper tantrum (passive rebellion)
5. Cheating
If they got the paddle it was a couple of good whacks on the bottom strong enough to sting...
Always we never spanked them in anger or haste.
We explained to them why they were getting disciplined and made sure they understood why...
We made them ask for forgiveness from God and who they sinned against
We also explained why it was important to not do whatever they did again...
It really wasn't that hard to do if you did it consistently and fairly...
Peace reigned in the house because everyone knew the rules and the consequences
Sure, because kids always listen carefully to their parents and contemplate their words of wisdom.
NOT!
It isn’t either, or.
Discipline means teaching and training while they are learning.
Punishment is reserved for when they willfully disobey what they know they shouldn’t.
The definition of proper discipline changes with our ever leaning left culture.
When I was a kid, and acted up at school, the teacher came along and slapped my hand with a ruler. Hurt like hell.
At home it was a spanking.
I’ve never been in jail, charged with a felony, defaulted on a loan, had to be on welfare. I don’t hate my parents and I visited that teacher several times long after I graduated, she even fixed me breakfast once.
Most folks of my era went through the same and turned to be the same. We are responsible people with respect for others as well as ourselves.
Now what about the snowflakes? What good can be said of them?????????????????????
Punishment IS disciplining. . . .try telling this crap to any football coach or Army drill instructor. . . Michael T. Hamilton. . .DOWN AND GIVE ME 50 PUSH-UPS!!!
College students these days need some punishment.
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. It’s like saying “car owners should top off their fluids, not their oil.”
And stop torturing common sense!
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. This is like saying “car owners should top off the fluids, not the oil, in their cars.”
And stop torturing common sense!
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. This is like saying “car owners should top off the fluids, not the oil, in their cars.”
The usual fans of hitting and shaming children will pile on.
Parents spank their children because they can’t be bothered thinking, reflecting, figuring out how they are modeling bad behavior to their children, etc.
So much easier to spank them and humiliate them. And then wonder, once they move out, why you never hear from them.
The author is making up his own definitions to based his argument on, as a primary definition of discipline is "control that is gained by requiring that rules or orders be obeyed and punishing bad behavior" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discipline)
Discipline is exercised by inflicting punishment, the latter of which can also be done as merely punitive retribution. God punishes His own as a consequence of sin so that they will repent, as well as develop better character, as well as to teach them or others that sin has a cost. King David, though forgiven, realized this. "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." (Hebrews 12:6) But He also punishes the lost in retribution for sins.
Ha! I was filleted, sauteed, and pureed as a child.
It worked, too!