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Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’
The Boston Glob ^ | OCTOBER 09, 2014 | Zeba Khan

Posted on 11/17/2015 7:09:55 PM PST by TBP

French officials recently declared that that country would stop using any of those names and instead refer to the group as “Daesh.”

Whether referred to as ISIS, ISIL, or IS, all three names reflect aspirations that the United States and its allies unequivocally reject. Political and religious leaders all over the world have noted this. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, “This is a terrorist group and not a state. . . the term Islamic State blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists.”

The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.

Why do they care so much? The same reason the United States should. Language matters.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: daesh; daeshbags; insult; isis; koranimals; terrorist
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If it insults them, then use it, just as 41 pronounced Saddam Hussein's name to mean "Shoeshine Boy".
1 posted on 11/17/2015 7:09:55 PM PST by TBP
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http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/want-to-piss-off-isis-call-them-daesh/


2 posted on 11/17/2015 7:10:11 PM PST by TBP (Nous sommes tout Francais.)
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http://www.france24.com/en/20140917-france-switches-arabic-daesh-acronym-islamic-state/


3 posted on 11/17/2015 7:10:33 PM PST by TBP (Nous sommes tout Francais.)
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J F’n Kerry calls them Daesh. I think he thinks it makes him sound smart...


4 posted on 11/17/2015 7:12:03 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Tony Schwartz and Meredith McIver, a couple of dam* fine authors...)
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Perhaps, but he may be right to do so. Even a blind bird catches a worm once in a while.


5 posted on 11/17/2015 7:13:14 PM PST by TBP (Nous sommes tout Francais.)
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As I understand it, the main reason we won WWII was because we started calling them “Krauts”. That really turned the tide. /s


6 posted on 11/17/2015 7:13:55 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I support anything which diminishes the Muslim population.)
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To: TBP

I see your point.


7 posted on 11/17/2015 7:13:58 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Tony Schwartz and Meredith McIver, a couple of dam* fine authors...)
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I call them “Islamic State”. Not ISIS. Say the word “Islamic”. That most accurately conveys the worldview that drives their evil.


8 posted on 11/17/2015 7:14:13 PM PST by SSS Two
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One person who will never use Daesh is our “president”, since they’re offended by the term.

No, Obama prefers to use ISIL, the name that grants the most territory to the terrorists and that implies Israel doesn’t exist.

He’s the only prominent person I can think of who uses that term in every case.


9 posted on 11/17/2015 7:14:25 PM PST by skeeter
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‘Islamic State’, I think that says it best, the religion of terrorists, started by a pedophile and frequented by goat humpers, islam.


10 posted on 11/17/2015 7:15:01 PM PST by nomad
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So, how many video links do I have to click on to learn how to pronounce this?

Sheesh...


11 posted on 11/17/2015 7:15:27 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic needs your financial support.)
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The only thing I want to call them is dead.

I don’t care about names and insults.


12 posted on 11/17/2015 7:17:12 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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Here:

French officials recently declared that that country would stop using any of those names and instead refer to the group as “Daesh.”

Whether referred to as ISIS, ISIL, or IS, all three names reflect aspirations that the United States and its allies unequivocally reject. Political and religious leaders all over the world have noted this. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, “This is a terrorist group and not a state. . . the term Islamic State blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists.”

The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.

Why do they care so much? The same reason the United States should. Language matters.

(cleaned up for better reading)


13 posted on 11/17/2015 7:17:33 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzlims trying to kill them)
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As I understand it, the main reason we won WWII was because we started calling them "Krauts". That really turned the tide. /s

Exactly. Who cares what Islamic State thinks of the term "Daesh"? Is the typical Freeper communicating with Islamic State members? We need to focus our fellow Americans on the real problem. Call them "Islamic State".

14 posted on 11/17/2015 7:17:38 PM PST by SSS Two
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the term Islamic State blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists

Or in other words "I.S." does not distinguish between Islam and political Islam.

Since there is no line between religion and politics to an Islamist, I'll stick with IS.

15 posted on 11/17/2015 7:18:06 PM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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the term Islamic State blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists
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“There is no radical Islam, there is only Islam” - Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan

There are no lines between Islam, muslims and Islamists, they are all obligated by their faith to seek world submission to Allah. It’s in their book.


16 posted on 11/17/2015 7:18:48 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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Dead Islamic terrorists...How’s that????


17 posted on 11/17/2015 7:19:04 PM PST by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: TBP

We just need to go back to ‘ragheads’.


18 posted on 11/17/2015 7:19:10 PM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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J F’n Kerry calls them Daesh. I think he thinks it makes him sound smart...

Daesh and ISIL are just obfuscation.


19 posted on 11/17/2015 7:19:55 PM PST by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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To: skeeter

The name ISIL permits Mr. Obama to whistle while he speaks.


20 posted on 11/17/2015 7:20:34 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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