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If You Live in These States You’ll Soon Need a Passport for Domestic Flights
thefederalistpapers.org ^ | september 20, 2015 | brittany soares

Posted on 09/22/2015 2:16:06 PM PDT by lowbridge

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To: lowbridge

WTF? Is this real? The vast majority of American citizens do NOT have passports. This is a money grab (passports are expensive) and a control grab.


41 posted on 09/22/2015 3:04:26 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: elcid1970; SJackson

Except Mexican illegals can show their photo-copied get-out-of-jail free card from their closest illegal alien security immigration department law office. (Er, MALDEF, La Raza, or NAACP. Or CAIR, HAMAS, or ISIS/ISIL.)


42 posted on 09/22/2015 3:04:46 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: lowbridge

I wonder how much longer it’ll be before they require passports to cross state lines if they’re going to implement this garbage.


43 posted on 09/22/2015 3:04:50 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: lowbridge
The REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, was an Act of Congress that modified U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and identification (ID) cards, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.

The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has currently defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and identification cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine.


44 posted on 09/22/2015 3:12:23 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: edh

Man, I hope not. I cross the state line at least once daily. If this is real the Feds are way out of line.


45 posted on 09/22/2015 3:14:01 PM PDT by madison10 (If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter)
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To: lowbridge

Btw, thanks for posting. I posted this 2 days ago and my thread was pulled.

Controversy and opposition

The Real ID Act has faced criticism from across the political spectrum and remains the subject of several ongoing controversies. Opponents of the Real ID Act include libertarian groups, like the Cato Institute,[66] immigrant advocacy groups, human and civil rights organizations like the ACLU, Christian advocacy groups such as the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ),[67] privacy advocacy groups like the 511 campaign, state-level opposition groups such as from North Carolina[68] and Florida,[69] government accountability groups, labor groups like AFL-CIO, People for the American Way, consumer and patient protection groups, some gun rights groups, many state lawmakers, state legislatures, and governors, and The Constitution Party among others.[70][71] Real ID is opposed by such groups as Gun Owners of America, by the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, and Obama administration. Along with the Bush administration, the Real ID Act is strongly supported by the conservative Heritage Foundation and by many anti-illegal immigration advocates.[70] Founded by evangelical Christian Pat Robertson, the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) participated in a joint press conference with the ACLU in 2008, highlighting the broad diversity of the coalition opposing Title II of the REAL ID Act.[72] The REAL ID Act causes concerns for transgender people, as well.[73] The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence has also voiced concern about REAL ID.[74]

Several legal challenges to REAL ID are underway by individuals in state courts, including Adrian Wyllie in Florida[75] and Kaye Beach in Oklahoma.[76]

Among the 2008 presidential candidates, according to a February 2008 CNet report at news.com, John McCain strongly supported the Real ID Act, Barack Obama and Ron Paul flatly opposed it, while Hillary Clinton called for the law to be reviewed.[77] In a September 2007 interview Mike Huckabee expressed opposition to the Real ID Act, calling the Real ID Act “a huge mistake”.[78]
Congressional passage procedure controversy

The original Real ID Act, H. R. 418, was approved by the House on February 10, 2005, by a vote of 261–161. At the insistence of the Real ID Act sponsor and then House Judiciary Committee Chair F. James Sensenbrenner (Republican, Wisconsin), the Real ID Act was subsequently attached by the House Republican leadership as a rider to H.R. 1268, a bill dealing with emergency appropriations for the Iraq War and with the Tsunami relief funding. H.R. 1268 was widely regarded as a “must-pass” legislation. The original version of H.R. 1268 was passed by the Senate on April 21, 2005, and did not include the Real ID Act. However, the Real ID Act was inserted in the conference report on H.R. 1268 that was then passed by the House on May 5, 2005, by a 368–58 vote and was unanimously passed by the Senate on May 10, 2005.[79] The Senate never discussed or voted on the Real ID Act specifically and no Senate committee hearings were conducted on the Real ID Act prior to its passage.[80] Critics charged that this procedure was undemocratic and that the bill’s proponents avoided a substantive debate on a far-reaching piece of legislation by attaching it to a “must-pass” bill.[80][81][82][83]

A May 3, 2005 statement by the American Immigration Lawyers Association said: “Because Congress held no hearings or meaningful debate on the legislation and amended it to a must-pass spending bill, the REAL ID Act did not receive the scrutiny necessary for most measures, and most certainly not the level required for a measure of this importance and impact. Consistent with the lack of debate and discussion, conference negotiations also were held behind closed doors, with Democrats prevented from participating.”[84]
National ID card controversy
For more detailed arguments for and against identity cards, see Identity document.

There is disagreement about whether the Real ID Act institutes a “national identification card” system.[85] The new law only sets forth national standards, but leaves the issuance of cards and the maintenance of databases in state hands; therefore, the Department of Homeland Security claims it is not a “national ID” system.[86] Web sites such as no2realid.org, unrealid.com, and realnightmare.org argue that this is a trivial distinction, and that the new cards are in fact national ID cards, thanks to the uniform national standards created by the AAMVA and (especially) the linked databases, and by the fact that such identification is mandatory if people wish to travel out of the United States.

Many advocacy groups and individual opponents of the Real ID Act believe that having a Real ID-compliant license may become a requirement for various basic tasks. Thus a January 2008 statement by ACLU of Maryland says: “The law places no limits on potential required uses for Real IDs. In time, Real IDs could be required to vote, collect a Social Security check, access Medicaid, open a bank account, go to an Orioles game, or buy a gun. The private sector could begin mandating a Real ID to perform countless commercial and financial activities, such as renting a DVD or buying car insurance. Real ID cards would become a necessity, making them de facto national IDs”. However, in order to perform many of those tasks, government-issued identification is already required (e.g., two forms of ID – usually a driver’s license, passport, or Social Security card – are required by the Patriot Act in order to open a bank account).[87]
Constitutionality

Some critics claim that the Real ID Act violates the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution as a federal legislation in an area that, under the terms of the Tenth Amendment, is the province of the states. Thus, Anthony Romero, the executive director of ACLU, stated: “Real ID is an unfunded mandate that violates the Constitution’s 10th Amendment on state powers, destroys states’ dual sovereignty and consolidates every American’s private information, leaving all of us far more vulnerable to identity thieves”.[88]

Former Republican U.S. Representative Bob Barr wrote in a February 2008 article: “A person not possessing a Real ID Act-compliant identification card could not enter any federal building, or an office of his or her congressman or senator or the U.S. Capitol. This effectively denies that person their fundamental rights to assembly and to petition the government as guaranteed in the First Amendment”.[89]

The DHS final rule regarding implementation of the Real ID Act discusses a number of constitutional concerns raised by the commenters on the proposed version of this rule.[15] The DHS rule explicitly rejects the assertion that the implementation of the Real ID Act will lead to violations of the citizens’ individual constitutional rights (page 5284 of the DHS rule in the Federal register). In relation to the Tenth Amendment argument about violation of states’ constitutional rights, the DHS rule acknowledges that that these concerns have been raised by a number of individual commenters and in the comments by some states. The DHS rule does not attempt to rebuff the Tenth Amendment argument directly, but says that the DHS is acting in accordance with the authority granted to it by the Real ID Act and that DHS has been and will be working closely with the states on the implementation of the Real ID Act (pages 5284 and 5317 of the DHS final rule in the Federal Register).

On November 1, 2007, attorneys for Defenders of Wildlife and the Sierra Club filed an amended complaint in U.S. District Court challenging the 2005 REAL ID Act. The amended complaint alleges that this unprecedented authority violates the fundamental separation of powers principles enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. The environmental groups argue that Congress unconstitutionally delegated the power to the Department of Homeland Security (an appointed Executive branch not accountable to the public) to pick and choose which laws will apply to border wall construction. On December 18, 2007, Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle rejected the challenge.[90][91]

On March 17, 2008, attorneys for Defenders of Wildlife and the Sierra Club filed a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court to hear its “constitutional challenge to the Secretary’s decision waiving nineteen federal laws, and all state and local legal requirements related to them, in connection with the construction of a barrier along a portion of the border with Mexico”.[92][93] They question whether the preclusion of judicial review amounts to an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power and whether the “grant of waiver authority violates Article I’s requirement that a duly-enacted law may be repealed only by legislation approved by both Houses of Congress and presented to the President”.[92] On April 17, 2008, numerous amicus briefs “supporting the petition were filed on behalf 14 members of Congress, a diverse coalition of conservation, religious and Native American organizations, and 28 law professors and constitutional scholars”.[94][95][96]
Asylum and deportation controversy

Many immigrant and civil rights advocates feel that the changes related to evidentiary standards and the immigration officers’ discretion in asylum cases, contained in the Real ID Act, would prevent many legitimate asylum seekers from obtaining asylum.[97][98] Thus a 2005 article in LCCR-sponsored Civil Rights Monitor stated, “The bill also contained changes to asylum standards, which according to LCCR, would prevent many legitimate asylum seekers from obtaining safe haven in the United States. These changes gave immigration officials broad discretion to demand certain evidence to support an asylum claim, with little regard to whether the evidence can realistically be obtained; as well as the discretion to deny claims based on such subjective factors as “demeanor”. Critics said the reason for putting such asylum restrictions into what was being sold as an anti terrorism bill was unclear, given that suspected terrorists are already barred from obtaining asylum or any other immigration benefit”.[97]

Similarly, some immigration and human rights advocacy groups maintain that the Real ID Act provides an overly broad definition of “terrorist activity” that will prevent some deserving categories of applicants from gaining asylum or refugee status in the United States.[99] A November 2007 report by Human Rights Watch raises this criticism specifically in relation to former child soldiers who have been forcibly and illegally recruited to participate in an armed group.[100]
Judicial review controversy

A previous version of the Real ID Act (H.R. 418) would have prohibited any judicial review of Homeland Security law waivers for barrier construction. Critics maintained that this would elevate the Secretary of Homeland Security above the law, and this language was changed in the final version (H.R. 1268).

But even the limited restrictions on judicial review remain controversial. Supporters of the Real ID Act see a need to restrain so-called “judicial activism” so needed barriers can be built.[citation needed] Opponents assert that the restrictions on judicial review may exceed the authority Congress has to regulate the courts (as spelled out in Article Three of the United States Constitution), and violate the principle of separation of powers.[citation needed]
Privacy

Many privacy rights advocates charge that by creating a national system electronically storing vast amounts of detailed personal data about individuals, the Real ID Act increases the chance of such data being stolen and thus raises the risk of identity theft.[101][102][103][104] The Bush administration, in the DHS final rule[15] regarding the Real ID Act implementation, counters that the security precautions regarding handling sensitive personal data and hiring DMV workers, that are specified in the Real ID Act and in the DHS final rule, provide sufficient protections against unauthorized use and theft of such personal data (pages 5281–5283 of the DHS final rule in the Federal Register).

Another privacy concern raised by the privacy advocates, such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, is that the implementation of the Real ID Act will make it substantially easier for the government to track numerous activities of Americans and conduct their surveillance.[105][106]

Supporters of the Real ID Act, such as a conservative think-tank the Heritage Foundation, dismiss this criticism under the grounds that states will be permitted (by law) to share data only when validating someone’s identity.[105]

The Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee, which was established to advise the Department of Homeland Security on privacy-related issues, released a statement regarding the Department of Homeland Security’s proposed rules for the standardization of state driver licenses on May 7, 2007.[107] The committee stated that “Given that these issues have not received adequate consideration, the Committee feels it is important that the following comments do not constitute an endorsement of REAL ID or the regulations as workable or appropriate”, and “The issues pose serious risks to an individual’s privacy and, without amelioration, could undermine the stated goals of the REAL ID Act”.


46 posted on 09/22/2015 3:15:54 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: lowbridge

Papers, please!


47 posted on 09/22/2015 3:17:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: lowbridge

With regard to NH and LA, a very stupid move. Both states have active separatist movements.


48 posted on 09/22/2015 3:17:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Voting is like choosing whether you'd prefer the crips or MS-13 to take over your neighborhood.)
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To: lowbridge

I have a passport, although I don’t live in one of those states.


49 posted on 09/22/2015 3:18:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: meatloaf

It is my understanding that AZ has not complied. I got my AZ drivers license in April and the state still had not implemented the changes.


50 posted on 09/22/2015 3:20:54 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Can you think of a better reason NOT to have the feds involved in concealed carry reciprocity. How many states would qualify. The less the federal government is involved in the better. What could be wrong with drivers licenses from New York or Wisconsin or Minnesota?


51 posted on 09/22/2015 3:29:40 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: hsmomx3

I’m curious, what changes have to be implemented? Not being here legally, but I can’t imagine what these states are doing that would prevent their citizens from flying. They’re not even Republican states, I’d get that.


52 posted on 09/22/2015 3:31:32 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: lowbridge

This story sounds BS to me.


53 posted on 09/22/2015 3:33:35 PM PDT by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: lowbridge

This is nonsense.


54 posted on 09/22/2015 3:33:47 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: elcid1970

I like it......the reason is that so many illegals have fake documents and passports are one thing that can’t be faked. Finally the United States is getting smart.


55 posted on 09/22/2015 3:38:50 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: MNDude

Feel sorry for the suckers that live in those states.

There are 80 percent of the population with a passport so it is not a big deal. I just used mine in March going to Cancun. I don’t think it will hurt anyone except those that just like to complain about EVERYTHING.


56 posted on 09/22/2015 3:40:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Of course it is not real. But hey!......it’s the internet. I bet this thread gets 200+ posts.


57 posted on 09/22/2015 3:44:24 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: lowbridge

Just having the new passport in your pocket as you travel around the country allows the gov to track your movements.


58 posted on 09/22/2015 3:44:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: elcid1970
However, if a Russian soldier completed a second enlistment, upon discharge he was issued an internal passport & could relocate anywhere

I did not know that. Hmmmm. I've always wondered where our government gets some of their ideas . . .

59 posted on 09/22/2015 3:45:51 PM PDT by BipolarBob ( I see a bad moon rising. I hear the voice of rage and ruin.)
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To: lowbridge
If You Live in These States You’ll Soon Need a Passport for Domestic Flights


60 posted on 09/22/2015 3:46:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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