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Carly Fiorina - Follower of Helegian Dialectics
PROGRESS & FREEDOM FOUNDATION SUMMIT ^ | 9-15-2015 | WTF OVR

Posted on 09/15/2015 9:00:48 PM PDT by WTFOVR

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To: WTFOVR; Red Steel; knarf; metmom; Paladin2; onyx; DoughtyOne; Black Agnes
Yes, thank you for this post. Even tonight before the debate, the latest Hegelian assault the Elites are using is trying to put forth the “Thesis” that Jeb Bush is a “conservative” while Donald Trump is a ‘liberal”. In fact, I bet that Hegelian tactic will be part of tomorrow's debate... to try to shift our understanding of what it means to be a “conservative” by pitting Jeb Vs Trump.

And yes, the Establishment Uniparty, One World/New World Order elites have been using Hegelian Dialectic since Hegel first conjured up the theory.

(I use “conjure” without hyperbole.) I've taken a lot of Philosophy myself, and the problem with Hegel and Hegelian theory is that it is an explanation of history as well as a method of manipulating current political events.

The catch is, and the reason to be alarmed that Fiorina was so open about her “using Hegelian theory every day” is because those who use Hegel have no moral compass themselves, but are using it to manipulate others for one reason only: Power.

Let me repeat:

The only reason to employ Hegelian theory to your own situation is to gain power, and moreover, the only people who can use Hegelian theory successfully are those who have absolutely no moral compass whatsoever; those who can lie about their true positions or beliefs with abandon

and therefore those people who do believe in anything are those who can be manipulated by Hegelian theory and are the reason Hegel thought of the theory in the first place... to manipulate people into changing their political views by a series of feints and hoaxes.

Fiorina’s admission is astonishing, because it is Hegelian theory that DEMANDS there be a two party system — the Dems vs the GOP — in order for the Elites to maintain control. This is why Trump and our understanding that there is no left or right (at the top) just the Uniparty Elites who used Hegel's “Divide and conquer” satanic methodology to maintain power.

You can't use Hegelian theory if you actually want something, are passionate about any sort of Judeo Christian ideal of “good” or hold to any belief yourself. All belief is fluid for the elites who believe in the Hegelian will to power.

Hegel is why the Nazis staged the Reichstag's fire; to blame it on “the communists”. Hitler began the Hegalian dialectic by being against the Commies in order to arrest his personal enemies. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007657 Which is why so many people believe the Obama race riots are staged, and much of the turmoil in unrest in this country are paid for by the Elites to start trouble. When Trump was last in L.A., George Soros' paid La Raza types picketed him. This is Soros' using Hegelian theory. But Hitler and all the elites always go after and those with actual belief, the Jews and Christians. . But it was a Uniparty even in Hilter's day, much to the chagrin of the hard left in the US and around the world when Stalin signed his pact with Der Fuhrer. It is all a lie. The only enemy that is real are believing Jews and Christians... all of the other modes of political belief are fluid and open to change.

Our Uniparty elites, now that Fiorina has been outed, need to destroy Judeo Christianity by whatever means possible and have been doing so for years with Hegel's dialectic.

I recall when I was in school studying this, I had a hard time getting my mind around Hegel's main theory — that nothing is real, there is no God, and it is all about manipulating what people believe through thesis antithesis. The freak of a professor I had simply could not explain Hegel to someone who held to actual faith; because you really have to be immoral and slightly insane not to acknowledge the Creator in an obviously created universe.

If this is true about Fiorina, she is really bad news, as in UN NWO weirdo cult whatever those "Lucent Trust" people who founded the UN believe. May the Lord remind her it is all garbage and will only destroy her soul in the endgame.

61 posted on 09/16/2015 1:40:36 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: knarf

There is a tutorial on how to quash and destroy the Delphi technique in a meeting when some paid trolls are trying to control it. It’s a serious psych out and it is being used on Trump right now 100 percent by the Elites, as it was on Palin. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omjnTSctsjs


62 posted on 09/16/2015 1:47:59 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: WTFOVR

Just read Fiorina’s speech...and wow... Obama just about gave that same speech a few years ago re: broadband.

What is up with our Elite overlords? Fiorina used just about every Illuminist buzzword imaginable.

She is NOT a conservative. Nor an outsider. The AT&T spying by the Bush administration revealed in 2004 show what a sham all this tech B.S. was. They just want intrusive tech TO SPY ON US, it’s a power grab.

Carly we hardly know ye, and it’s scary Carly. Will be praying for you.


63 posted on 09/16/2015 2:22:44 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: Sontagged

I watched that a few hours ago ... excellent, simple tutorial


64 posted on 09/16/2015 3:15:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"Wilhelm Heleg was a German Philosopher who discovered the procedure later referred to as the 'Helegian Diuretic'. The procedure involved adding just the right propositions to an existing philosophical argument in order for all the sophistry to spill out.

"Respect philosophers as you would plumbers for ultimately neither theories nor pipes hold water."

65 posted on 09/16/2015 3:26:02 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: WTFOVR
did not state that Carly Fiorina is a “commie” - rather I asked why is she using Marxist tactics? I suppose some may answer that question thus: “If the shoe fits ...”

So, if anyone thought that you were trying to associate Carly Florina with communist ideology, they would be mistaken.

Well, I'll tell you my impression. It is my impression that you are beginning to discover that all political attacks are founded upon associations. That's good. Hopefully, with time, you'll also develop an appreciation for subtlety. It's just as important. And, none of the other stuff works too well without it.

66 posted on 09/16/2015 4:18:39 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Sontagged; WTFOVR; knarf; hoosiermama; Liz; onyx; SE Mom; LucyT

“Even tonight before the debate, the latest Hegelian assault the Elites are using is trying to put forth the “Thesis” that Jeb Bush is a “conservative” while Donald Trump is a ‘liberal”. In fact, I bet that Hegelian tactic will be part of tomorrow’s debate... to try to shift our understanding of what it means to be a “conservative” by pitting Jeb Vs Trump.

And yes, the Establishment Uniparty, One World/New World Order elites have been using Hegelian Dialectic since Hegel first conjured up the theory.”

See also video in post #62.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omjnTSctsjs

Other Hegel references:

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Fiorina-calls-diversification-key-Firm-can-t-2870534.php

Fiorina calls diversification key / Firm can’t risk falling behind, CEO says

February 24, 2002

EXCERPT

The Chronicle: You once said that your favorite business writer was Hegel and that you use Hegelian dialectics every day. Could there be a synthesis of the two opposing viewpoints in this proxy fight?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/carly-fiorina-has-a-hegelian-moment/

Carly Fiorina has a Hegelian moment
The HP CEO has a strategy for getting out of PCs and into tech consulting: Dump $20 billion on another PC company — then pray. Columnist Erick Schonfeld says she better watch out.

September 10, 2001


67 posted on 09/16/2015 4:42:28 AM PDT by maggief
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Bfl


68 posted on 09/16/2015 6:46:18 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Read my lips: no more Bushes)
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t fear the competition.


69 posted on 09/16/2015 6:58:23 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SteveinSATX

Thanks, SteveinSATX, I was getting a little cross-eyed and feeling real stupid, and yet I learned a few things.

Thanks to all the posters who are better than any professor I had in college.


70 posted on 09/16/2015 8:11:29 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: WTFOVR
Thesis --> Antithesis --> Synthesis

According to Hegel, this process describes all of human History, which is Hegel's "God" becoming fully aware of Himself.

The theory is self refuting, since according to the theory, Hegel's own idea of thesis/antithesis/synthesis must be just another idea in human history subject to the Hegelian dialectic, to be eventually dissolved into a greater synthesis. So Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis can't be an absolute truth.

Hegel's nefarious, crackpot theory is best left on the ash heap of history.

71 posted on 09/16/2015 8:36:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: WTFOVR
...insert sound of needle going across a record here.

This should clear things up.

There was something about this woman that I couldn't put my finger one. I'm not sure it was outward evidence of this, but something came across I didn't care for.

Anyone admitting this should be disqualified from holding public office.

72 posted on 09/16/2015 9:24:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Sontagged; WTFOVR; Red Steel; knarf; metmom; Paladin2; onyx; Black Agnes

I would never support a known Hagel follower for public office. I wouldn’t want them in charge of any business either. You couldn’t trust a think they did or said.


73 posted on 09/16/2015 9:26:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bush and the GOPe all use Hegel. So does Obama. This is the unifying belief of the Uniparty elites.


74 posted on 09/16/2015 11:27:18 AM PDT by Sontagged (Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you...)
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To: Sontagged

If we all sat down and considered today’s body politic, Hagelism would be seen just about everywhere.

Strangely enough, in the political season, it is a very human thing to do. You point to problems as you see them, and tell folks you’ll fix them.

The follower of Hagel will make up a problem, so that he can be the deliverer.

There is a difference.

One is not a Hagel practioner, and the other is.

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, Hagel to the X.


75 posted on 09/16/2015 12:24:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: knarf

You can beat Delphi,but you need a group of people to do it. You can’t do it alone.


76 posted on 09/16/2015 6:41:36 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

Thanks for all the replies ... And I am also learning a few things in the process. Sorry about any misspellings ... I never claimed to be perfect - yet.


77 posted on 09/16/2015 10:36:35 PM PDT by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The theory is self refuting, since according to the theory, Hegel's own idea of thesis/antithesis/synthesis must be just another idea in human history subject to the Hegelian dialectic, to be eventually dissolved into a greater synthesis. So Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis can't be an absolute truth.

Never really got into Hegel in college, but did he exempt his dialectic theory from itself?

78 posted on 09/16/2015 10:48:59 PM PDT by Vision Thing ("Community Organizer" is a shorter way of saying "Commie Unity Organizer".)
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To: WTFOVR

Spelling has never been a good friend of mine.

I never knew spelling, and for all I know you are spelling fine.

= :^)


79 posted on 09/16/2015 10:56:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Vision Thing

-— Never really got into Hegel in college, but did he exempt his dialectic theory from itself? -—

I don’t know if he addressed the problem explicitly.


80 posted on 09/17/2015 3:09:01 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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