Skip to comments.The Confederate Battle Flag
Posted on 06/22/2015 4:25:24 PM PDT by iowamark
The Bible tells me to love my neighbor. I have a number of black friends and I do not know any of them who would feel comfortable coming into my house if I were flying the Confederate battle flag. So I dont. In fact, in my life, the people I can think of who proudly fly the Confederate battle flag outside their homes are people in whose yards, let alone houses, I would not feel comfortable.
I think if a Christian is to love his neighbor, he cannot fly a flag that so many of his neighbors associate with the defense of slavery. I agree with my friend Russell Moore in that, but I disagree in that I do think there are places that the Confederate flag is appropriate. I think it is appropriate at Confederate soldiers cemeteries. I think it is appropriate at Confederate memorials and museums. Frankly, considering a majority of citizens in Mississippi, both black and white, voted to keep it on their state flag, I think it is appropriate there. Mississippi, unlike many Southern states, put the Confederate battle flag on their state flag shortly after the Civil War, not in protest in the 1950s and 60s.
Outside of those locations, I dont think it is appropriate. You, like many of my friends and family, may think the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of heritage, not hate. But for millions of black Americans, it is a very real symbol of oppression.
Im afraid, though, that we are about to see a run on Confederate battle flags. Someone is going to make a tidy profit.
The only people I know who grumble and dwell on the flag are busy-body academics and people who dont live in the South who have a low opinion of the region with or without the flag. The response, in the South, has been a reinforcement that others are bigoted toward the South and that the flag really does represent heritage, not hate a heritage a bunch of racist1, northern white liberals want to stamp out. I have more than one relative, as do most white Southerners, who has a battle flag with Heritage Not Hate written in proximity to it. You and I can roll our eyes at this, but it is pervasive.
And now, because a bunch of mostly white yankees are again yelling about the battle flag, were not going to see a flag and tradition die out. Instead, were going to see a bunch of twenty and thirty-something Southerners go out and buy fresh flags as a middle finger to the Northern white liberals who did not like them without the flag. The Sons of Confederate Veterans are probably getting recruiting material ready as we speak.
I have found that less and less people of my generation and younger are fixated on race or care about it. The yards in which the battle flag fly typically belong to old racists of generations rapidly dying out. But in politicizing what happened in Charleston and demanding that the Confederate Battle Flag be removed by government action, the only thing that is going to happen is a run on the flags. Its just like with gun control. The moment a bunch of liberals start making sounds like they want to take guns, second amendment fans run out to buy new ones.
I think the people of South Carolina can decide for themselves whether or not to take down the battle flag.
I think compromising with the left on this issue is not worth it because the left is only politicizing this issue to advance their agenda. Consider the attacks by leftists on Republican politicians, including Governor Rick Perry of Texas, shortly after the Charleston attack without a word about Gov. Perry and then Attorney General Greg Abbott blocking the Sons of Confederate Veterans from getting a personalized license plate in Texas. Or consider the attack on Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 100% from the Huffington Post that he kinda sorta maybe indirectly possibly championed a law that kinda sorta if you looked at it cross eyed gave support to the flag.
Once the flag is gone, the left will advance to the next issue then the next issue, etc. They wont compromise. There is no compromise. There is only conversion or censorship with the left.
But I also think if you proudly fly the Confederate battle flag and call yourself a Christian, you need to ask yourself how you are being a good neighbor to the black family down the street, next door, or on the other side of town whose ancestors were enslaved under that flag and whose parents or grandparents faced down white men in the streets waving that flag as an act of rebellion against voting rights.
None of this really matters though. Because the issue is now politicized, you might as well buy stock in companies that produce the Confederate battle flag. Theyre going to get a lot of orders from people who equate raising the stars and bars with raising the middle finger toward liberals up north.
1. Most Southerners, regardless of race, learn very early on that the North has all the racism of the south and none of the awareness of the issue. In fact, Im aware of a public school teacher who, when teaching about desegregation, points out that the Kennedy family was all in favor of desegregating Southern schools, but not their own. That sort of statement is pervasive in the South.↩
If the Confederate flag is a sign of oppression, then so is the US flag, where slavery was legal long before the CSA adopted their flag.
The Tea Party flag to millions is a symbol of racism. The Islamic flag to million is a symbol of racism. So does that mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water? Why is it only the Left that gets to set what is racist and allowed and what is racist and not allowed
If the battle flag is oppressive then so is the US one as it flew when slavery was in the north, it flew over slave ships bringing slaves here, and it certainly flew out west to the Indians who were killed, raped, robbed, and had their lands taken away.
I want both flags flying as all flags have stood for oppression in the minds of some groups
They’re coming for that, too. Mark my words.
Because the media is left wing and millions of people are too dumb to understand that , and the idiots on our side go along with them to think they will be liked and not called a name .
If we want to ban symbols of hate, here’s a good place to start ........
muslim symbols, muslim flags, mosque, etc.
Don’t forget that slavery existed under the British Union Jack from 1619-1776.
IMHO blacks are far too easily offended.
“Once the flag is gone, the left will advance to the next issue then the next issue, etc. They wont compromise. There is no compromise. There is only conversion or censorship with the left.”
Islam calls this convert or Die. The LW has taken on the Islamic model. Now we know why 85% of US Muslims vote democrat
OK, so now Erick Erickson is a left wing panderer. Freepers are losing their freeping minds defending this thing. I find his statements of the places where this flag is appropriate to be compelling.
The civilian versions of the Confederate battle flag flew only over slave states.
The forces who ended slavery fought under the US flag.
The forces who fought to preserve slavery fought under the Confederate battle flag.
The long history of the US flag as a national flag is varied.
The brief history of the Confederate battle flag as a national flag is uniform.
The significance of the Confederate battle flag is ambiguous: it symbolizes both the generally good and brave men who found themselves fighting for an evil cause, and it also symbolizes the evil cause itself.
Anyone who flies it is automatically and inescapably associated with both.
Hell, the Democrat’s party symbol of the donkey symbolizes intolerance, because there is nothing more intolerant than a lefty. The Democrat Donkey needs to be banned.
Has anybody else noticed that every issue that becomes controversial nowadays is made so by liberals who define the it? Guns: Evil killing machines vs. self defense tools. Abortion: Women’s choice vs. infanticide. Confederate Battle Flag: Symbol of slavery and treason vs. a symbol of states attempting to assert their own rights.
Isn’t it about time we stopped fighting on their ground? Too many people still believe that the War between the States was about slavery when in fact it was more about economic survival for the South. The slavery issue was brought in later - and by the Northern liberals at that!
Well, the Confederates in Missouri who fought with General Sterling Price fought under this flag.
If my ancestors were owned as chattel by the vanquished, perhaps my mileage might vary.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. Already some blacks are taking videos of themselves stomping on the US flag. It seems the only flag they want is that ugly black/red/green African-something flag.
Just bought one for the front of my truck! Unbelievable that some people’s rights are more important than others?
The South economy's was thriving as never before in 1860.
The Civil War was about sore losers who were mad that an election they thought they were guaranteed to win didn't go their way.
That's literally what happened.
In fact, had the South's economy not been growing like gangbusters, the Confederacy couldn't have put armies in the field that quickly with that much gear.
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