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The GOP’s destructive Vietnam mythology: How the right’s self-glorifying delusions led to...
Salon ^ | May 2, 2015 | Peter Birkenhead is a writer living in Washington, D.C.

Posted on 05/02/2015 11:42:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: ansel12

And the ironic thing is that JFK was a staunch anti-communist.


41 posted on 05/03/2015 5:44:44 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Chainmail

“The liberal Left will do its best to lie about that piece of history but I lived through it and I remember everything.”

So do I, brother. (USAF: 1970-1974)


42 posted on 05/03/2015 5:47:46 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ansel12
John F. Kennedy’s legacy, the Vietnam War
The US was involved in VN long before JFK. And if the war belongs to anyone, it's LBJ.
43 posted on 05/03/2015 6:11:20 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

JFK and LBJ were Republicans?


44 posted on 05/03/2015 6:24:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Horowitz is always a prize.

Doesn’t it seem odd that the best the lefties can do is go back to their halcyon days of the Vietnam war to reassert their political relevance? Yet they claim to be the party of “new” ideas?


45 posted on 05/03/2015 7:05:09 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We won the Vietnam War in 1973.


46 posted on 05/03/2015 7:07:51 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
With the secret, unconstitutional bombing of Cambodia by Richard Nixon, the United States knocked over the first of the only dominoes that would ever fall in South East Asia, and dragged Cambodia into a civil war that led to the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge. Without the Vietnam War, Pol Pot would almost certainly never have come to power. His regime was a creation of our war, in the same way that ISIS is the offspring of our occupation of Iraq in 2003. The Killing Fields only ended after the Vietnam War, when the Vietnamese, our former enemies, overthrew the Cambodian tyrant. But none of those facts were troubling enough to Bush to keep him from spinning the story his own way. Not because they aren’t true, but because they aren’t known anymore. Because we hardly ever hear about them.

Long ago, Peter Rodman demolished that old canard.

47 posted on 05/03/2015 7:09:29 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
JFK and LBJ were Republicans?

By today's standards (JMHO), JFK would properly be classified as slightly to the right of a Rubio or Jeb Bush.

LBJ? Only allegiance he had was to what was best for LBJ. If he thought it would make him some votes, power or money, he'd be talkin' (at least) like he was more Conservative than anybody.

...and what would he do when/if he got into office? Just exactly what he did back in the 60's.

(People I knew down in LBJ's original House District firmly maintained that "he's so crooked, when he dies they won't have to dig to bury him; they can just run him into the ground like an auger.")

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....Back to this article, I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised.

Must be some really, truly deeply frightened ol' commies out there if they're going to start beating this drum again. (Guess the indoctrination didn't take so well and now they've got to spend the next 18 months in a Refresher mode.)

....don't have to "Refresh" me.

Naval Air '65-'76

48 posted on 05/03/2015 7:12:54 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (God gives us rights; Governments take them away.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I only scanned it, as it was utterly devoid of any content other than the writer’s juvenile scolding.


49 posted on 05/03/2015 7:14:41 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: RginTN
wasn’t the US intervention in Vietnam begun by a Democrat regime?????

Yes, the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu - May 07, 1954 and JFK decided to involve us in the remnants of a Vietnamese civil war. As a former US Naval officer, he decided to send in Seals as advisers to the South Vietnamese armed forces. Eventually "mission creep" brought the numbers to some 30,000 "advisers".

After his death in Dallas LBJ took over and staged an "incident" in the gulf of Tonkin as an excuse to expand the involvement to a full blown war. The rest is history.

Regards,
GtG

50 posted on 05/03/2015 8:11:35 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Chainmail

A movement that included Michael Medved.


51 posted on 05/03/2015 8:51:47 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The author (Paul Kengor) mentions the book:
“Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies"
By a happy coincidence I downloaded this book about a month ago and found it one of the most compelling and maddening books I have ever read.

Below is part of Kengor's dare to liberals:

As to where McCarthy was right, I recommend that liberals read the extraordinary 2007 book by M. Stanton Evans, “Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies.” The material on China is astounding. The information on what really happened with McCarthy's notorious list of communists is stunning. The section on Edward R. Murrow is maddening. The chapter “The Caveman in the Sewer” is infuriating. Evans listed numerous names of communists who did terrible damage.

I urge all open-minded Freepers to read this book.

52 posted on 05/03/2015 9:45:42 AM PDT by Larry381 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; RginTN

“Yes, the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu - May 07, 1954 and JFK decided to involve us in the remnants of a Vietnamese civil war.”

Well not exactly. We had Military Assistance Advisory Group officers in Vietnam as early as 1950 under Truman. When the French bugged out Eisenhower increased the MAAG presence.

Eisenhower sent advisers but no combat troops. The fighting was a classic Communist insurgency that targeted and murdered local village officials. It was sponsored and financed by the Soviets who called it a “civil war” in the the propaganda campaign they waged in the United States.

There were only 700-800 MAAG in South Vietnam as Eisenhower left office. The communist insurgency was growing and Kennedy began sending more American advisers, including Special Forces. Kennedy created MACV and ramped up the American presence to around 16,000.

In November 1963 Kennedy stood by and allowed a coup against South Vietnam President Diem. Diem was assassinated, then Kennedy was assassinated, and Lyndon Johnson inherited a rudderless South Vietnam. In 1964 South Vietnam had seven different leaders and was foundering. LBJ decided to send in American combat troops and the big buildup began.

What didn’t begin was a strategy and a willingness to invade North Vietnam and put an end to their ability to make war against the South, the strategy that solved the problem of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. Neither LBJ nor Nixon were willing to fight the Vietnam war to decisive conclusion.


53 posted on 05/03/2015 9:46:35 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
IOW, Kerry for President. Salon prints the swill of partisan media shills.

54 posted on 05/03/2015 9:49:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

by going to and opening relations with China, Nixon flanked the Russians in vietnam and eliminated the need for the war


55 posted on 05/03/2015 9:52:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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Mainstream Media Try to Burn a Book
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/mainstream-media-try-to-burn-a-book/
http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas-ebook/dp/B000W94GOU/


56 posted on 05/03/2015 10:35:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Lots of hate and cognitive dissonance from a nutjob.


57 posted on 05/03/2015 10:56:41 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Pelham
Well not exactly. We had Military Assistance Advisory Group officers in Vietnam as early as 1950 under Truman. When the French bugged out Eisenhower increased the MAAG presence.

Thank you for clarifying my somewhat shortened version of events. I was much younger then and newly married and attending an engineering college. I wasn't paying much attention to the finer points of politics at the time. I was sweating out the draft for the most part. I was called down to the induction center and classified 1-A even though I'm blind in one eye. I was 1-A through the entire conflict and was never called up. I was passed over in the lotteries as well.

Regards,
GtG

PS I knew there was something wrong w/ the time line as the French bailed in 1957 and JFK was killed about 1963. I never realized that Truman was responsible for involving us in the fray.
Thanks again!

58 posted on 05/03/2015 11:23:50 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Chainmail

I am a bit younger than you but I lived it as well. I do not remember it the way the left portrays it. I do remember a young man who graduated high school with my sister who never came home.


59 posted on 05/03/2015 11:44:33 AM PDT by exnavy (government should be neither seen or heard.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reagan was Governor of California, he had no influence about Vietnam. This is author is just whacked out crazy


60 posted on 05/03/2015 11:48:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Clearly Cruz 2016)
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