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Ted Cruz Is Signing Up for Obamacare
Time ^ | 3/24/2015 | Jack Linshi

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:43:41 PM PDT by Kevin C

Despite being vehemently opposed to Obamacare, Ted Cruz is signing up for insurance under President Obama’s health care law.

The Texas Republican Senator and newly-announced presidential candidate, known for his staunch opposition to the Affordable Care Act, told CNN on Tuesday that he will be joining the millions of Americans enrolled in insurance under the law.

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To: The Final Harvest

It’s unconstitutional federal law, therefore it is invalid law.

The Court has already shown it will not rule on Obamacare based on its constitutionality so I’m not sure what is gained by Cruz going to court.


221 posted on 03/25/2015 9:07:23 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: trebb

Well, unlike too many others, if I’m for somebody (if Cruz is the best guy then I’m for him) it doesn’t mean I blindly go along with everything they do. Blindly worshiping and failing to make accountable favorite politicians is partly why we’re in the mess we are right now. Our country as a whole needs to get back to trusting the Lord and stop blindly trusting in man.

Obamacare is an unconstitutional federal law because the Constitution gives the feds no authority to meddle in individual health insurance. Because it is unconstitutional, Obamacare is invalid law because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and any federal law that violates the Constitution is invalid and should be rejected.


222 posted on 03/25/2015 9:14:53 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Jewbacca

Well, if you have an illegal law, then, yes, I purpose he and everybody else break this illegal law.

What is the Law of the Land? Is it anything a majority of Congress passes as in this case not even knowing what they were passing until after they passed it? What kind of nonsense and foolishness is that?

The Constitution is the Law of the Land. Obamacre is an act of Congress that violates the Constitution because as the ONLY source of federal authority to do ANYTHING, the Constitution gives the feds NO POWER to meddle in individual health insurance. Therefore, Obamacare is an unconstitutional federal act and should be rejected and nullified.


223 posted on 03/25/2015 9:21:22 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

There is nothing “unlawful” about not having health insurance. You pay a penalty if you choose not to but there is no threat of jail time or anything.


224 posted on 03/25/2015 9:26:01 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: hsmomx3

Well, why does he have to do that? The issue isn’t how well or how badly Obamacare works or doesn’t work because that is an issue of trying to find the right way to do the wrong thing.

Obamacare is the wrong thing regardless of how badly or well it works because it is unconstitutional. The Constitution does NOT allow the feds to meddle with individual health insurance. You do not have to get cancer to show it’s a disease and you don’t have to acquiesce to Obamacare to show it is unconstitutional.


225 posted on 03/25/2015 9:27:59 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

You don’t get to pick and choose which laws you follow. That’s called anarchy. You work to get laws overturned lawfully.

Probably 99% of gun laws I consider unconstitutional. That doesn’t mean I get to carry a sawed of shotgun. Or sell and receive firearms. Or own an automatic weapon. Just because.

You actually think Cruz needs Obamacare? He’s doing this to prove a point which will become apparent shortly.


226 posted on 03/25/2015 9:36:23 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Jewbacca

I loathe and despise Obamacare and have no intention of acquiescing to it at all. My health insurance is NONE of the feds business. I will do everything I can to get states to reject and nullify this unconstitutional federal act until Cruz or someone else can get it repealed,. If the feds don’t repeal it, then, fine, the states that have a right-thinking populace have already done what was necessary by rejecting it.

You know, sooner or later you, me, and others will have to decide what our precious blood-bought Constitution and the freedom it protects is worth. Is it worth fighting for? Is it worth dying for? Our country began because people said “Enough” with tyrannical English law and rule and were will to fight and die for their freedom. We’re too cozy while the feds and Obama slowly but surely erode our Constitution and the freedom it protects. It is time to say “ENOUGH!”

I’ll be happy and privileged to be the first.


227 posted on 03/25/2015 9:37:22 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: saleman

Who says you can’t know and understand the Constitution and then reject federal laws that are plainly and egregiously unconstitutional? The Constitution certainly doesn’t forbid it and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Supremacy Clause and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments support the states and the people’s right to reject and nullify unconstitutional federal law.

We are in the right and the feds are in the wrong when we resist a law they pass like Obamacare that is clearly and plainly unconstitutional. The feds do not even argue for it based on the Constitution - Congress didn’t even know what was in the freaking bill until after they passed it!!!

However, no matter how right we might be (and it calls for a good-faith effort to apply the text and original intent and understanding of the Constitution to the facts - we can’t just decide something is unconstitutional because we don’t like it) the most effective resistance to invalid and unconstitutional federal law is at the state level if enough like-minded people of the state say with you “Enough” with the feds eroding OUR Constitution and OUR freedom which it protects.


228 posted on 03/25/2015 9:49:50 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: madison10
My sarcasm meter is broken. I'm blaming the situation. Normally, I pick up on sarcasm.

No harm, no foul, as long as everybody wants rid of Obamacare and isn't attacking Cruz.

/johnny

229 posted on 03/25/2015 10:02:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: PapaNew

I am thinking he is doing it to prove how bad it is. We’ll see.


230 posted on 03/25/2015 10:02:58 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: saleman

Regardless, the Constitution gives the feds NO POWER to meddle in my health insurance. Therefore, Obamacare is an unconstitutional federal act that should be rejected and nullified by the states and the people. If someone like Cruz comes along who can somehow get it repealed great, but Cruz can’t repeal it of course - on the federal level, only Congress can repeal it or SCOTUS overturn it.

There may be a case where the if the President clearly showed why Obamacare is unconstitutional and why the legislative and judicial branches acted unconstitutionally in allowing it, the President could refuse to enforce it as being against the Constitution which he has sworn to “preserve, protect, and defend.” The Supremacy Clause would be on his side. It would be an unprecedented and unlikely, but welcomed, move IMO.

In the meantime, regardless of what the feds do (IMO the feds are beyond repair), the states with right-thinking populaces will have rejected and nullified such unconstitutional federal acts and taken it from there.


231 posted on 03/25/2015 10:04:00 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sounds good to me!


232 posted on 03/25/2015 10:08:52 AM PDT by madison10
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To: hsmomx3

Does that mean that if it it didn’t work so badly, Obamacare would be OK? So if there’s a right way to do the wrong thing, that’s OK?

Obamacare is an unconstitutional federal act and should be rejected as such regardless of how it works or doesn’t. You don’t need to get cancer to show it’s a deadly disease and you don’t need to acquiesce to an unconstitutional federal law to show it is unconstitutional.


233 posted on 03/25/2015 10:09:55 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

Which is kinda like what the States did that didn’t establish their Exchanges. And what will be ruled on, soon I hope.


234 posted on 03/25/2015 10:15:34 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Jewbacca

Brilliant! He must do it by law. And he can show how pathetic O’care is by posting a diary of his daily experiences with this idiotic legislation.


235 posted on 03/25/2015 10:16:03 AM PDT by petercooper ("How To Destroy The Country In 6 Short Years" by Barack Obama & the Democrats)
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To: PapaNew

It’s going to be interesting what he has to say after he has had it for awhile.

I wish people who owe federal taxes would pay what they owe with the exception of health insurance fines!


236 posted on 03/25/2015 10:21:35 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: ConservativeMind

OK - I’ve read this multiple times and I still don’t understand your point. To reiterate, my point is as follows:

1) Ted Cruz has said, again and again, that he thinks Obamacare is unconstitutional
2) Ted Cruz, through his $179K/year salary and from money saved from his wife’s previous salary (not sure what that was, but I believe it was significantly greater than his), can afford to buy medical insurance on the open market.
3) The Obamacare mandate is merely that you have to have health insurance, or pay a penalty. It doesn’t require you to use the Obamacare marketplace.
4) The only reason for Ted Cruz to use the Obamacare available through the Senate is to save money by utilizing the $$$ provided by the Senate for their employees

So, it appears that, even though Ted hates Obamacare and thinks it should be destroyed, he has no problem using it to save some money. This does not appear to me to be the action of a principled person. I believe that the consistent position would be to either spend some of his own money to buy his own health insurance and not to take advantage of what he believes to be an uncontitutional program.

Where is my logic wrong?


237 posted on 03/25/2015 11:14:16 AM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: Team Cuda

It sounds like he’s doing it to make a political point about 1) how lousy a law it is and/or 2) give him standing to challenge in court and/or 3) make the others in Congress who have opted out look bad.

My argument is if he thinks Obamacare is unconstitutional, he doesn’t have to participate in it to show it’s unconstitutional. That’s like saying you have to get cancer to show it’s a deadly disease. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot IMO.


238 posted on 03/25/2015 3:54:10 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

Cancer isn’t the law. He needs this for debate.


239 posted on 03/25/2015 4:57:35 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

That’s exactly my point. You don’t need to acquiesce to an unconstitutional law to show and prove it is unconstitutional. The analogy works: saying you have to acquiesce to an unconstitutional law to show it is unconstitutional is like saying you have to get cancer before showing it is a deadly disease. That’s silly.


240 posted on 03/25/2015 5:13:43 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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