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Thinking About Torture
Townhall.com ^ | December 12, 2014 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 12/12/2014 7:47:39 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Sherman Logan
Meanwhile the other side says there should be no limits whatsoever on what we do. And I don’t think most of you mean that either. Unless we want to get into boiling alive, crucifixion and impalement.

Only if done in public at prime time.

21 posted on 12/12/2014 8:58:47 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

If there was no other way of obtaining critically important information, I would reluctantly agree to his mistreatment. Which, as I understand it, was considerably less aggressive than it could have been.

But that’s a quite different moral position than “there should be no restrictions at all on how we treat our captives.”

In some of the posts on this thread there also seems to be a conflation of the concepts of torture as retribution or punishment and torture to obtain critical intelligence.

Where on the spectrum of pain or bodily damage would you draw the line? Or do you have a line?


22 posted on 12/12/2014 9:00:11 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin

Could the above be worse than listening to Hillary or Yoko Ono?


23 posted on 12/12/2014 9:01:20 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: central_va

Thanks. I think you’ve made your position clear. Others can now draw their own conclusions about your moral character.


24 posted on 12/12/2014 9:01:46 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: central_va

I really can’t get over how much he looks like John Belushi on a bender.


25 posted on 12/12/2014 9:02:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sherman Logan
Others can now draw their own conclusions about your moral character.

And yours.

PS: You never answered my question in post 17. Care to now? BWhahahahaha.

26 posted on 12/12/2014 9:04:14 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MrB
I really can’t get over how much he looks like John Belushi on a bender.

Who'd like to see him raped by ten gorillas on PPV?

27 posted on 12/12/2014 9:05:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Yes, it was immoral. Torture is always immoral.

Sometimes a lesser immoral act is necessary to prevent a greater one. Lesser of two weevils and all that.

But that an evil is lesser does not make it un-evil.

War, for example, is by definition evil. Yet sometimes it is necessary to prevent greater evil. But that simply does not ever make it good.


28 posted on 12/12/2014 9:08:06 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Wow, just wow. Calling the CIA agents immoral? What site are you on? Maybe the DU might suit you better....


29 posted on 12/12/2014 9:09:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sherman Logan

We don’t need to stoop all the way to their level. Though I do admit I wouldn’t really shed a tear if they did go full medieval on them.

Considering alternatives, water boarding and firing squads is plenty humane enough for the likes of these people.


30 posted on 12/12/2014 9:10:30 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: central_va

Government actions are never to be questioned or called immoral? What site are you on?


31 posted on 12/12/2014 9:15:16 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Government actions are never to be questioned or called immoral? What site are you on?

In this case it isn't really a question of morality so your premise is flawed.

32 posted on 12/12/2014 9:16:51 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

So who elected you the arbiter of morality?


33 posted on 12/12/2014 9:18:42 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
So who elected you the arbiter of morality?

Back at ya.

34 posted on 12/12/2014 9:21:40 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sherman Logan
"Jews in concentration camps had no Geneva Convention protections. Neither did kulaks in Lybyanka Prison. ... I’m talking morality, not legality."

Jews and Kulaks were just living their lives and posed no threat to anyone or anything; KSM, not so much. I don't see how you can make any moral comparison between the treatment of Jews and Kulaks with that of al-Qaeda operatives.

35 posted on 12/12/2014 9:34:15 AM PST by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Kaslin

Making someone “uncomfortable” or “disoriented” IS NOT TORTURE!

It’s that simple.


36 posted on 12/12/2014 9:41:06 AM PST by Zman516 (Thought-Criminal #1)
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To: Slyfox

Yep. The entire water boarding thing is a rope-a-dope by the anti ‘torture’ people. The terrorists KNOW they are gonna survive water boarding. It is NOT pleasant for sure but they know they are gonna survive it to live another day. (That cattle prod pic has been well debunked as not Chris Stevens though).


37 posted on 12/12/2014 11:45:05 AM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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