Posted on 11/07/2014 8:02:39 PM PST by annalex
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The boldest leader in Europe right now
Digest
...there were three great changes in the global regime during the 20th century. At the end of the First World War, at the end of the Second World War and in 1990. The joint characteristic of these, and I have perhaps already spoken to you about this here before, is that when these changes occurred it was clear to everybody from practically one day to the next that from now on they would be living in a different world from the one they had been living in until then. After the Treaty of Trianon, for instance, this was absolutely obvious here, but so too in Budapest. And similarly after World War II. When people looked around and saw occupying Soviet troops everywhere, they knew that it was the beginning of a different world. And in 1990, when we succeeded in breaking and driving out the communists, it was clear following the first Parliamentary elections that we would be living in a new world: the Berlin Wall had been toppled, we were holding free elections, and this is a whole new future.The statement that I would like to put forward as the starting point of my speech today is that there is a change of similar value and weight going on in the world today. The manifestation of this, meaning when it became absolutely obvious, is what we describe as the 2008 financial crisis, or rather the Western financial crisis. And the significance of this change is not quite so obvious because, in contrast to the previous three, people perceive it in a different way.
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according to an internationally recognised analyst, the strength of American soft power is in decline and liberal values today embody corruption, sex and violence, and as such discredit America and American modernisation. [...] Western Europe is so busy finding a solution to the situation of immigrants that it has forgotten about the white working class.
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And to go somewhat further, let me tell you about a good and unexpected development that is close to our hearts. The British Prime Minister, who usually goes out of his way to make sure that his own political movement is never classified as being Christian Democrat, stands up in public and says that a key element of the British system of values is Christianity and that despite multiculturalism, Great Britain is a Christian country at heart, and this is something that the British people should be proud of.
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there is a race going on to develop a state that is capable of making a nation successful. [...] the determinative moment in today’s world can perhaps be described by saying that there is a race underway to find the method of community organisation, the state, which is most capable of making a nation and a community internationally competitive. This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the explanation for the fact that the most popular topic in thinking today is trying to understand how systems that are not Western, not liberal, not liberal democracies and perhaps not even democracies, can nevertheless make their nations successful. The stars of the international analysts today are Singapore, China, India, Russia and Turkey. [...] while breaking with the dogmas and ideologies that have been adopted by the West and keeping ourselves independent from them, we are trying to find the form of community organisation, the new Hungarian state, which is capable of making our community competitive in the great global race for decades to come.
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a democracy does not necessarily have to be liberal. Just because a state is not liberal, it can still be a democracy. And in fact we also had to and did state that societies that are built on the state organisation principle of liberal democracy will probably be incapable of maintaining their global competitiveness in the upcoming decades and will instead probably be scaled down<>/b> unless they are capable of changing themselves significantly.
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until now we have known three forms of state organisation: the nation state, the liberal state and the welfare state. And the question is, what’s next? The Hungarian answer to this question is that the era of the work-based state is approaching. We want to organise a work-based society that, as I have just mentioned, undertakes the odium of stating that it is not liberal in character. What does all this mean?
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What this means is that we must break with liberal principles and methods of social organisation, and in general with the liberal understanding of society.
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Conflicts on the acceptance of mutual freedom are not decided according to some abstract principle of justice, but what happens instead is that the stronger party is always right. [...] The principle around which Hungarian society is organised should not be that everything is allowed that does not infringe on the other party’s freedom, but instead should be that one should not do unto others what one does not want others to do unto you.
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The liberal democracy was incapable of openly stating and committing the prevailing government, including through the use of its constitutional powers, to serving the interests of the nation with their work. And it in fact challenged the very idea of the existence of national interests. [...] The liberal democracy and liberal Hungarian state did not protect community assets. [...] The liberal Hungarian state was also incapable of protecting the country from falling into debt.[...] It also failed to prevent families from falling into debt slavery.
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Hungary’s citizens are expecting Hungary’s leaders to find, formulate and forge a new method of Hungarian state organisation that, following the liberal state and the era of liberal democracy and while of course respecting the values of Christianity, freedom and human rights, can again make the Hungarian community competitive
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What is happening in Hungary today can accordingly be interpreted by stating that the prevailing political leadership has today attempted to ensure that people’s personal work and interests, which must be acknowledged, are closely linked to the life of the community and the nation, and that this relationship is preserved and reinforced. In other words, the Hungarian nation is not simply a group of individuals but a community that must be organised, reinforced and in fact constructed. And so in this sense the new state that we are constructing in Hungary is an illiberal state, a non-liberal state. It does not reject the fundamental principles of liberalism such as freedom, and I could list a few more, but it does not make this ideology the central element of state organisation, but instead includes a different, special, national approach.
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instead of fear, isolation and withdrawal, I recommend fortitude, thinking ahead and rational but courageous action for the Hungarian community of the Carpathian Basin and in fact for the whole Hungarian community scattered throughout the world. It could easily be the case that, since anything can happen, our time will come.
(emphasis is mine)
I am grateful to the NYT for referring to this remarkable speech. Behold: they served a good purpose.
BMRK
Viktor Orban, the PM of Hungary, is accused by the NYTimes of being a repressive ruler. Coincidentally, he is also conservative, and you don’t see the NYTimes writing such articles about Cuba and Venezuela. How exactly is Orban repressive? Well....
“Critics contend that the government uses its purse strings to control the arts (NEA) and make the news media compliant (CNN/MSNBC,NYT). Dissent is attacked in the official press and sometimes investigated by the government (phone taps by NSA)
Even some conservative supporters are slightly wary of the extent to which Mr. Orban has systematically assembled power: packing courts (Obama hard left judicial picks) and the chief prosecutor’s office (Eric Holder) with loyalists, altering the Constitution (amnesty for Illegal Aliens without authority) and laws so his party dominates.”
Does anything that Orban has done remind you of anything Obama has also done?
NewsMachete.com
If he is looking to Russia as a "star" and, perhaps, a model, then the form of government Orban is looking for is just a Russian style tyranny. China, also, is a repressive, anti-Christian joke of a country that keeps its GDP up by building massive ghost cities.
I don't know anything about Singapore, Turkey or India though, except, in the latter case, they like to dump dead bodies into the river to float around (where they also shower in).
Woah, lots of typos in that post of mine. “Immortality” LOL = Immorality.
They are supposed to be descendents of Cumans who moved west running from the Mongols
Sorry, I was wrong. There are some other Hungarians supposedly descended from Cumans. The Szekely claim descent from the Huns directly
My great 3x or something grandfather originated from Hungary. But his son that came over here doesn’t look Hungarian from pics I’ve seen. Is there a certain look to Hungarians? If anything, dude looks German.
I couldn’t read the speech, Don’t have the attention span:)
Well there isn’t a distinct look. The original Magyar people were smaller and conquered a Slavic people so many Hungarians have slightly Slavic features. Then they took German burghers hence a mix. Like the Bulgarians, a Slavic people led by a tiny Bulgar ruling class that assimilated. Unlike the Magyar they lost their language to slavic
Interesting. I love history as it relates to the human family tree. Yep the family stature is definitely on the short side and great grandpa was quite heavy in the face at time of picture so it’s hard to see features per say, except for the Hitler type mustache which is what made me think German I guess, but 2 of his younger brothers looked Italian and the other English like their mother. I can’t seem to trace back further though.
Why does the NY Slimes, the EU and President Obama hate Viktor Orban?
Because Orban protected unborn life in the Hungarian Constitution.
Because Orban is shining the light on these NGOs, who are funded by outside groups with the intent of influencing Hungarian politics.
Because Orban does not support big banks (especially the European banks that held nearly 90% of all mortgages in Hungary at interest rates between 20% and 50%)
Because Orban wants Hungarians to chart Hungary’s destiny, not the EU, not Soros money, not Russia.
Because Orban does not endorse the welfare state.
Because Orban does not endorse open borders.
NYT article is garbage. Maybe Orban has some illusions about Putin and maybe he doesn’t; the notion that anything to the right of Manhattan liberalism is automatically “putin” (or, more commonly, “nazi”) is left-wing agitation and nothing more.
Yes, I agree with you about Russia. I understand that Orban was making the point about economic growth, so China earned its right to be on his list. Russia, however, is an economic bubble based on artificially high oil prices, ready to collapse.
But I can defend Orban’s larger point: that the liberal democratic model of economy has stopped producing growth, at least stopped producing it domestically, and that economic nationalism is necessary for the economic salvation of all national economies.
What was known as Hungary prior to the Treaty of Trianon simply imploded in 1918. I am not insinuating any irredentism on the part of Orban, but if I were Hungarian I would not be able to shake a feeling that Hungary is called by history to a grander role than what the 20 Century dealt.
On that, I also agree with Orban, and enjoyed the speech.
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