Michigan legislative action thread
Posted on 07/15/2014 11:57:41 AM PDT by cotton1706
GRAND RAPIDS, MI — Former U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra has said he'll back U.S. Rep. Justin Amash's opponent in the upcoming August primary.
Hoekstra is endorsing local businessman Brian Ellis in the Third District race. Hoekstra, who served in the House from 1993-2011 and was chair of the House Intelligence Committee, in a statement said Ellis will be a "strong partner" with other Michigan Republicans to promote conservative ideas.
"Bottom line, I strongly endorse Brian Ellis because he will be an effective conservative voice and a consistent conservative vote for solutions that will help hardworking Michigan taxpayers," Hokestra said. "Brian Ellis will not just talk conservative, but he will vote conservative."
The last line has been a cornerstone of the Ellis campaign, which has continuously denounced several votes the libertarian-minded Amash has taken in Congress.
Ellis has racked up several big endorsements this cycle over Amash, R-Cascade Township, including Right to Life of Michigan, Grand Rapids Chamber of Commerce, the Michigan Farm Bureau's political action committee and others.
Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers snubbed Amash, too, by appearing at a $1,000-per-plate breakfast fundraiser for Ellis in June.
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The republicans would take the senate, they all said, with men like Hoekstra, and Connie Mack and Tommy Thompson, and Heather Wilson, and Rick Berg, and Denny Rehberg, and George Allen.
But Hoekstra didn't win. Went down in flames in fact. And now he's (of course) endorsing the moderate in the race against the Tea Partier that's (gasp!) gotten under John McCain's skin.
Hoekstra’s a One World Gov’t Globalist hack...I wouldn’t vote for him or anyone he endorses...
Agreed...Justin Amash is the real deal for conservatives. I used to like Hoekstra but he seems to be part of the gang now.
This Ellis guy being supported by a Chamber of Commerce right there tells me he is no conservative
Sorry, guys, but Amash is a kook. When he defended Iranian Dictator Ahmanutjob’s “honor” against a joke by McCain, it exposed his true colors.
http://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-john-mccain-ahmadinejad-monkey-tweet-2013-2
It appears that a representative of The League For Advancement of RINO Candidates has shown up to take a shot at Congressman Justin Amash who happens to be a Tea Party conservative that the GOPe would love to take out.
Is that really the best shot you have? Really? It was pretty pathetic.
Hey, you’re right. It was pathetic and simply bizarre, the only way to describe your boy sniffing out a future job as Ahmanutjob’s Press Secretary (or his Prince Valiant ?). If you can defend that, which you haven’t in your rebuttal, feel free. Make no mistake, Amash ain’t a Conservative, or a Tea Partier, he’s a Paulbot nutter with a fetish for Iranian dictators.
He’s not going anywhere. Last poll I saw showed Amash up some 20 points.
I guess he just tells the Tea Party groups what they want to hear and uses their talking points, so they look the other way when stabs conservatives in the back and votes with Obama & Pelosi more than any other Michigan Republican.
Amash could introduce legislation to make Obama president for life, claim he's doing it because "the constitution and the founding fathers" REQUIRE him to, and they'd applaud him for it.
Good lord, yesterday it’s people who have a childlike understanding of redistricting, today it’s Amashbots, I don’t have the energy.
Paultards are not conservatives folks, Amash richly deserves the boot, I don’t give a rat’s hiney that the eeeeeeeevvvvil chamber of commerce endorses Ellis, they happen to be 100% right this time.
Since RINOs have turned back most challenges so far, I have zero expectation that Amash will lose. Too many misguided people regard him as a “true conservative”. The national journal meanwhile has him as one of the bottom 15 least conservative Republicans (between Pete King and E. Ros-Lech), along with fellow Paulbot Paul Massie of Kentucky.
Another Ronulan, Kerry Benvitolio, is ranked much better (the 137th most conservative Republican, in the bottom half) but I hope his electorally weak keister loses also. There is a better chance of that than Amash losing, because Kerry is a poor campaigner.
“The national journal meanwhile has him as one of the bottom 15 least conservative Republicans (between Pete King and E. Ros-Lech), along with fellow Paulbot Paul Massie of Kentucky.”
Well this isn’t true. Amash is nowhere near Peter King. Judging on the same votes, here’s a comparison.
Amash - 95%(Average) - 89%(Heritage) - 99%(CFG) - 92%(ACU) - 100%(FreedomWorks)
King - 40%(Average) - 38%(Heritage) - 40%(CFG) - 36%(ACU) - 45%(FreedomWorks)
Massie - 89%(Average) - 78%(Heritage) - 93%(CFG) - 88%(ACU) - 95%(FreedomWorks)
I’m curious. What’s your beef with Amash?
...or Massie for that matter.
Who writes that crud for the National Journal anyhow?
Whether you agree with the ranking or not it IS true that that’s where the National Journal ranks him, 14th least conservative R, Massie even worse, 10th.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/free/document/5075
My beef with him is that he is a “Libertarian” Paulbot who loves Iran and casts many liberal votes, he’s not a conservative Republican.
The Ron Paul cult is a cancer on the Republican party, and it’s members are not “true conservatives” no matter what anyone is fooled into believing. Damn everyone who carries water for them.
“...I’m curious. What’s your beef with Amash?”
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Nice research Cotton. I think his “beef” with Amash is simply that Amash is on the GOPe’s “hit list” of conservative incumbents-— you know, marching orders from the high command.
Paultards are not conservatives.
“GOP-E” > Paultards
I don’t have Excel at home so I’ll look at that link tomorrow. The National Journal tends to be liberal. I’d be interested to see how they rate conservatives.
I’ve been using the same standard for all the senators and representatives (the four ratings agencies) and I would think that if Amash and Peter King voted alike, it would show up in the averages but they’re nowhere near each other. Pete King votes along the lines of John McCain, that is, under 50% conservative and Amash votes along the lines of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, that is, close to 100% conservative. Maybe they meant Steve King, who would probably be close to Massie and Amash, at least in their voting patterns.
No, they didn’t mean Steve King.
If you see the list later, it’s a list of all House members, most conservative at the top, most liberal on the bottom.
Clearly their comprehensive rankings are a little different that the various rankings you use, but since they show people like Amash and Walter Jones for what I know them to be (ie not conservatives), I tend to believe them.
No rating is perfect (I used to rely heavily on the ACU, they’ve gone a little goofy) I certainly would much prefer Amash or Ron Paul himself to that piece of garbage Pete King or RINO I. Ros-Lec in Florida, but none of them are conservatives, none of them.
The Paul cult has worked hard to co-opt the tea party movement.
The ACU has definitely gone round the bend. And their “lifetime ratings” are deceiving, and allow politicians to use their votes from 20 years ago to cover them for this year. They’re the reason why I created the average in the first place. I wanted some fair standard to rely on to see where somebody really is on the political spectrum, which is the point, whatever the method used.
Amash is similar to Rand Paul (whose fan club now has buyer's remorse about him) is that they are both clip off the old blocks of the Ron Paul movement, though they successfully marketed themselves as Reagan Republicans. But even though Rand is a lot like daddy, I would place Amash as more extreme with the paleo-libertarian stuff and to the left of Rand on several issues. Amash's philosophy is indeed to pretty much vote how the way he thinks his idol Ron Paul would vote, and take the position that if a conservative bill is not 100% perfect for his tastes, he will side with Nancy Pelosi to kill it.
Amash's record doesn't have much in common with Ted Cruz at all. Cruz is a mainstream conservative Republican, NOT a Ron Paul worshiping paleo-libertarian. Feel free to call Cruz's office and see if they confirm he agrees with Amash of ANY of the following:
Amash was the only Michigan Republican to vote against a ban on gender selection abortions. Right to Life of Michigan noted that Amash’s vote was pro-abortion and cited it such on their scorecard.
Amash was the only Michigan Republican to vote against the Balanced Budget Amendment.
Amash voted “present” instead of against funding NPR and Planned Parenthood because he believes the votes are "unconstitutional". Amash's votes earned him kudos from the New York Times, who did a gushing editorial about him.
Amash also voted "present" on the Keystone Pipeline, and was the only Republican who wouldn't support opening up drilling in Alaska. I believe his excuse also was that the bill was "unconstitutional".
Amash voted "no" on a GOP bill in 2012 that would have extended lower rates for student loans and pay for it with cuts to Obamacare. It passed the House despite a veto threat from Obama.
Amash voted against the Small Business Tax Cut Act, which would cut taxes by 20% for small businesses. Only 4% of Republicans voted “no”.
Amash voted against The Health Act, which would reduce lawsuit abuse and frivolous lawsuits. Only 6% of Republicans voted “no”.
Amash voted against Republicans on a bill to replace across-the-board spending cuts (the so-called "sequester") with other more targeted cuts, while lifting spending caps on the military.
Amash voted against the National Right to Carry Reciprocity, which would allow Michigan residents to exercise their second amendment right to carry beyond the Michigan borders.
Amash was one of just three Republicans (and 20 lawmakers in total) not to vote for more sanctions against Iran last July. At the time, the Obama administration was asking for "some leeway" from Congress to approach the newly elected Iranian regime with "alternatives".
Amash voted with the Democrats to shut down the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention facility. Only 1% of Republicans voted “yes” on the legislation.
Amash is of "Palestinian" ancestry and sympathetic to the "cause" of their "government" Among the things he campaigned on was “a Palestinian state with contiguous borders,” meaning that Gaza and the so-called West Bank should be connected.
Amash also voted against reaffirming Israel’s right to exist, calling on the Palestinian government to forswear terrorism, and threatening to stop U.S. foreign aid money to the Palestinian government if they continue negotiating with the terrorist group Hamas.
According to Congressional Quarterly, Justin Amash voted 51% of the time with President Obama’s position in 2012; triple any other Michigan Republican (The next highest Michigan Republican was 18%) and more than any Republican in the entire U.S. House.
Amash has also voted with Nancy Pelosi over 22% of the time, more than any more Republican in the House.
>> I would think that if Amash and Peter King voted alike, it would show up in the averages but they’re nowhere near each other. <<
Amash and Peter King are alike only that they have numerous gullible followers who drink the kool-aid about how they're "true conservatives" because they know how to work a crowd and beat their chest on TV about they are saviors for conservatives against the Washington establishment. Both of them go off the reservation and vote with the Dems routinely, but on completely different issues. King is reliably pro-life and loves to yell about how much he hates Muslims, but he's a gun grabbing big government Clintonite. Amash loves to scream about "liberty" and how much he opposes big government, but he leans libertarian-to-leftist on social issues and national security issues, and is a Hamas sympathizer who is cozy with Palestinian groups. Both men do not fit the traditional 3-legged stool of Reagan conservatism (traditional values, economic freedom, and strong national security) for opposite reasons.
>> The ACU has definitely gone round the bend. And their “lifetime ratings” are deceiving, and allow politicians to use their votes from 20 years ago to cover them for this year. <<
Agreed. Though in Amash's case he's only been in office two terms so it's not a Bob Barr type situation where he's using votes from 20 years ago to sell himself as a conservative. Replying on the ACU alone is not a guaranteed way to determine how reliable a GOP congressman is. That's why I look at numerous organizations (not just the five you cherry picked to make Mike Enzi look bad), and on many scorecards, Amash is repeatedly shown as one of the most Democrat-friendly Republican incumbents. Certainly he's the worst in Michigan, objectively looking at his voting record. He's "100% conservative from some organizations when it comes to cutting government, for example, but for numerous other conservative organizations (like pro-life and pro-national security organizations), his record is horrible
>> I think his “beef” with Amash is simply that Amash is on the GOPe’s “hit list” of conservative incumbents <<
No my beef with him is that he's a Palestinian Islamo-sympathizing NPR and Planned Parenthood supporter who votes with Nancy Pelsoi more than any Congressman in the House. If that's your idea of a "conservative incumbent", I'd hate to see what a liberal one looks like.
So what's YOUR beef against Brian Ellis? I thought challenging ALL incumbent politicians was GOOD no matter how conservative they are, isn't that what the "all incumbents must go" crowd has told us over and over again? Mike Enzi and Pat Roberts have MUCH more conservative views than insane Paulbot Justin Amash, and that didn't stop the anti-incumbent club from saying that they "must go" and that "anybody" else who runs would automatically be preferable to the incumbent, because he we need "new blood" and of course "they're not entitled to another term". But Amash is?
Why the exception for Amash? Because he screams "Tea Party" and tells you what you want to hear?
Why is Brian Ellis a "RINO"? Simply because he dares to challenge a self-proclaimed "Tea Party" incumbent? Marco Rubio is an incumbent who won office as a "Tea Party" candidate too. That doesn't magically make him a good conservative.
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