"What the... it can't be... OH MY GOD..."
Posted on 06/27/2014 10:20:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
In any case, infowars was placed in a tough spot: it couldn't call this a Jewish conspiracy, because the Russians were calling it a Nazi conspiracy. That you would prefer your information come from there and the Russian Foreign Ministry is telling.
I wouldn’t be singling Russia alone for being anti-American.......We’ve certainly many across the Ocean and in S. America who say and are anti-American.
Regardless, when it comes to Business CEO’S could care less and will go where there’s money to be made.
I find it amusing you think only Russia fills the definition of “not real capitalism but a gangster state managed one”. When was the last time you even checked our Business sector and how they operate? Same with other countries. They are all full of corrupt practices and behavior.
As I’ve said before and continue to say...there are NO GOOD GUYS running the World Stage today...none. This in conflicts as well as business ventures. Who they do or not support will always depend on monetary agreements favorable to the highest bidder, both politically and otherwise. They all leverage their bets.
I am fully aware of Putins ideology and the direction he’s taking his country, but he is still just another “operator” on the World Stage...corruption vs. corruption at all levels.
This is why I do not take sides....rather observe the hands they play in their game of advantage over one another. Putin plays his hand, to date, better than most, proven thus far regarding Ukraine...and for that matter using his options to dodge those opposing him.
Maybe something got lost in translation. I believe Stop should have been Start.
It’s not a war unless territory is attacked and occupied. Oh, wait.
I'm not sure how this is a response to anything I wrote. As for the "report," your quoting something from March, and since that time Yarosh has denied ever saying such a thing, and the Russkies in turn have found his "business card" in burnt out cards along with immaculate U.S. dollars and "American guns". Right Sector, Yarosh, and invisible CIA, are the favorite boogiemen of Putin's red media.
A leaked, out of context phone call where all the participants contradict the interpretation by Russian media, even the doctor. Unless you believe they are all intimidated by the NWO, I think we ought to side with them. In May the Ukrainian MP heading up a separate Rada investigation into the matter, Gennady Moskal, announced that the bullets used in the sniper shootings were not fired from weapons issued to the Berkut police. Other testimony places the snipers in a building under control of Right Sector at the time of the shooting.
This is all old information and partial information, and therefore misleading. There are videos and photographs of the Russian trained Ukrainian SBU gearing up for the fight and leaving, heavily armed, to meet a civilian protest. They were also photographed later burning documents and taking big safes with them and fleeing when Yanukovych gave up the fight.
Part of the article:
"Photographs Expose Russian-Trained Killers in Kiev
The slaughter of 53 protesters in the Maidan on February 20 changed history. Now, exclusive photographs show what really happened.
KIEV, Ukraine—The first crack of a sniper’s round in Kiev’s Independence Square came shortly after nine o’clock on the morning of February 20 and the last about seven hours later at around four o’clock in the afternoon drawing to a close the bloodiest day in what had been a months-long struggle to oust Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych.
Many of the 53 people slain died from clean shots to the head or neck—telltale wounds inflicted by expert marksmen; while others were gunned down at closer quarters by less expert assassins armed with AK-47 assault rifles.
Most of the photographs accompanying this article were taken on February 20, and they appear to reveal the truth about who carried out the shootings in Independence Square on that day—a fateful one for both Ukraine and for Europe, which suddenly witnessed the continent’s worst political violence of the 21st century. The pictures shared exclusively with The Daily Beast show members of a crack anti-terrorist unit known as the Alfa Team in the courtyard of the headquarters of Ukraine’s feared state security service, the SBU, preparing themselves for battle. The agency’s seven-story headquarters occupies an entire city block and is just three streets from the Maidan.
The SBU is the successor intelligence agency to the Ukrainian branch of the Soviet-era KGB and it still maintains exceptionally close ties to Moscow. For many years “leading SBU functionaries came from the KGB,” says Boris Volodarsky, a former Russian military intelligence officer and author of the book The KGB’s Poison Factory. He says Russia’s intelligence service, now known as the FSB, has made sure over the years to maintain deep penetration of its Ukrainian counterpart and to ensure that its “agents and associates remain in place.” That was easily done during thepresidency of the pro-Russian Yanukovych."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/30/exclusive-photographs-expose-russian-trained-killers-in-kiev.html
The Ukrainians also that that the FSB was heavily active before and during the protests, and had even flown into Kiev high explosives.
"During the press conference, Ukraine’s interior minister, chief prosecutor and top security chief implicated more than 30 Russian FSB agents in the crackdown on protesters, who in addition to taking part in the planning, flew large quantities of explosives into an airport near Kiev. Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, the interim head of Ukraine’s SBU state security agency, said the agents were stationed in Kiev during the entire Euromaidan protests, were provided with “state telecommunications” while residing at an SBU compound, and in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. “We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation,” said Nalyvaichenko. Investigators, he said, had established that Yanukovych's SBU chief Oleksandr Yakymenko, who had fled the country, had received reports from FSB agents while they were stationed in Ukraine, and that Yakymenko held several briefings with the agents. Russia's Federal Security Bureau rejected the comments as "groundless accusations" and otherwise refused to comment.[294]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#cite_note-298
By the way, a note on not taking stuff from Russian media too seriously. They are, as has been noted again and again, under total control of Russia's FSB. Even their regular programming is filtered through the FSB:
"About the Russian media blitz, Chykulay said, “I don’t have a television because I hate Russian TV, and I have seen some short clips on the Internet, and I have relatives who watch Russian television. When I visit them I watch a bit, and see this propaganda. They are trying to make people into zombies with messages that begin early in the morning and continue until late at night. It is very hard to discuss these issues with those who watch and accept Russian television. I have a friend who is a film director who lived in Prague when I did, and in 2004 he went to Moscow where he was invited to produce a TV series. He did a number of series that were popular. He said that all scripts must go through the FSB/KGB. They will put notes on pages of the script, asking, “Where is the portrait of Putin? Where is the Russian flag? Where is the old war veteran?” They wanted naïve scripts, into which they could insert propaganda. They started doing this from early 2000. It’s a huge investment. It is more money than Google and Facebook put together. So you ask if they are afraid of sanctions. No, they have something bad in mind.”" www.jrnyquist.com
This is coming from a guy who has been praising Putin as a brilliant Russian patriot out do to the best "for Russia", who has called the U.S. degenerate and a "laughing stock," and has avidly promoted every Russian lie put out by Russia's state controlled media, even the claim that those little green men in Crimea weren't Russian soldiers (until Putin later admitted they were his soldiers, but that was already obvious to us). And now you are giving liberal and compassionate conservative arguments on why Russia is not a threat. One can easily make the same response to Osama Bin Laden, or Islam in general. They're just "playing their cards" looking to make the biggest buck. They don't have an ideology/religion of murder.
So how many Rubles do you get paid per post? You do know the exchange rate to U.S. dollars is terrible, right?
Repeating....As I’ve said before and continue to say...there are NO GOOD GUYS running the World Stage today...none.
"What the... it can't be... OH MY GOD..."
No rudebot...its when you wrote 'your Russian interpretation' in reference to the leaked call that made me think you were talking about the Russians...smh
In any case, infowars was placed in a tough spot: it couldn't call this a Jewish conspiracy, because the Russians were calling it a Nazi conspiracy. That you would prefer your information come from there and the Russian Foreign Ministry is telling.
I have no idea what you're talking about here....the last two references I made were to a German network television program that went into great detail refuting your lies about the sniper shooting, and the German Foreign Ministry website where an official copy of the February 21 pre-coup agreement detailing the universal desire by all parties in Ukraine, Russia & Europe for a complete investigation into the sniper shooting was posted.
I made another reference to a You-tube of the recording of a leaked phone conversation between the Estonian foreign minister and EU representative Ashton and a Daily Mail article confirming its authenticity...both of which were posted to refute other falsehoods you've made on this thread. Where you came up with this conspiracy nonsense is anyone's guess.
All that matters is that it fits your discredited version of events.
Thank you. I don’t bother giving these guy facts anymore. They don’t care about them.
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