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New Metal-Air Battery Drives Car 1800Km Without Recharge
IFLScience.com ^ | 9JUN2014 | Stephen Luntz

Posted on 06/10/2014 6:46:54 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

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To: Jack Hydrazine

Is Freeper here aware of any gas or diesel powered engine that runs at a constant (optimal) speed that could be used to power a small electric battery charger?

I am looking for a very small one


41 posted on 06/10/2014 7:30:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: Mr. K

Research the engines used in the smallest diesel generators. There’s a small Subaru diesel that is popular in offroad utility vehicles that might be decent, other manufacturers as well.


42 posted on 06/10/2014 7:33:34 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Keep trying. Maybe the next discovery will be the one.


43 posted on 06/10/2014 7:37:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Whatever shortcomings this currently has will be overcome pretty quickly.

Then we can wave goodbye to Arab oil and American companies gouging us at the pump.


44 posted on 06/10/2014 7:38:20 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Mr. K
Is Freeper here aware of any gas or diesel powered engine that runs at a constant (optimal) speed that could be used to power a small electric battery charger?

First, you don't want constant speed - the optimal speed depends on the load. You want a generator with a sine wave inverter. There are many of those sold at Home Depot, Harbor Freight, etc. They can be very small, portable, and quiet. A diesel engine may be not a good fit for a very small generator.

45 posted on 06/10/2014 7:40:01 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: ArtDodger

Despite my freaking out, the walleyes were the best in the world.


46 posted on 06/10/2014 7:42:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Iron Munro

lol!


47 posted on 06/10/2014 7:47:45 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Jack Hydrazine

48 posted on 06/10/2014 7:48:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Greysard
There was another company in Israel, Better Place. It is dead now.

They've gone on to a better place?................

49 posted on 06/10/2014 7:52:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It ain’t a battery.

As others have pointed out here, you’re generating electricity by (effectively) burning aluminum.

And where do you get the aluminum from? The electrolysis of oxidized aluminum - essentially by using the energy of electricity to reduce the aluminum oxide back to the metal.

So unless they’ve invented a perpetual motion system, they’ve simply come up with an energy transduction system - you take an energy source in some form (just for fun, let’s make it coal); you use it to generate electricity; you use that electricity to make aluminum metal; you use that aluminum metal to get back (some of) the electricity you put in, and run a car on it (until the aluminum is used up).

Whether it makes any sense or not depends on your ultimate energy source (nukes? coal? hydro?) and how great the energy losses are in every step of the process (unfortunately, there’s no getting around the laws of thermodynamics).


50 posted on 06/10/2014 7:54:05 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

In the corporate world, PowerPoints have proven themselves to be a total energy drain. PowerPoints combined with spreadsheets have been known to actually suck the life right out of unsuspecting employees.


51 posted on 06/10/2014 7:54:41 AM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It all depends on cost. I drive less than 10,000 miles a year. Running a car on a non-rechargable battery would not bother me if the battery replacement was quick and easy. And cheap. If those conditions are met, a stop at the service station every two months or so is ok with me.


52 posted on 06/10/2014 8:04:22 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Greysard
"...a Tesla for $60-80K may never become profitable;…."

I'm not sure it's supposed to, nor the gas engine cars in the same class. On the other hand Nissan has a lease going on for the Leaf for $199 a month. That is about $161 less than the wife spends on gas for her commute.

53 posted on 06/10/2014 8:08:03 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Jonty30

That is the estimated cost of the materials. I doubt it would sell for anywhere near that. That would be like estimating the cost of a computer by the weight of the metal and plastic, or the cost of a car for the scrap value of the metal.

Also I saw in the article that the “Al-air battery must also be refilled with water every 200 miles, to replenish the electrolyte”

so.... the range is really only 200 miles!!! before you have to stop. That’s a pretty key point left out.


54 posted on 06/10/2014 8:08:38 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: KarlInOhio

But since carbon is a good thing it’s okay.


55 posted on 06/10/2014 8:13:34 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: moehoward
On the other hand Nissan has a lease going on for the Leaf for $199 a month. That is about $161 less than the wife spends on gas for her commute.

That's 3,600 miles per month, or 180 miles every weekday. Almost 100 miles one way. Not one of those shorter commutes.

And here is the problem. The Leaf may be cheaper, but it simply won't deliver the range that your wife needs on daily basis. Not even one way, to be plugged in. Leaf is good only when any car is also good - for short trips strictly within the city.

Your wife's driving pattern may benefit from a Tesla... the range will be sufficient if you get a 85 kWh model. It costs $81K. You may want to make a spreadsheet and see what works for you. Note that the insurance on a $80K car will be higher than on a cheap commuter car. Consider winter and darkness - the battery is discharged much faster. Consider if the distance driven per day is guaranteed (no random side trips to parents, for example.) Today an EV is a demanding friend.

56 posted on 06/10/2014 8:21:50 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I do that in less than 10 days.


57 posted on 06/10/2014 8:24:35 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: moehoward
You may want to make a spreadsheet and see what works for you.

I quickly plugged your numbers into Tesla's own online calculator. You will be paying $1,125/mo x 72 months, total $81K, on top of $8,170 of 10% downpayment. So the full cost of a financed car will be about $89K. If you drive 40,000 miles per year and the gas price is $4.00/gal and a comparable car is capable of 40 mpg, and if you get a $0.15/kWh special price on an EV plan, then you will be saving $169/mo on an EV. Ignoring the lost profit on a non-invested $89K, you will need 89000/169 = 526 months, or 43 years, to break even. If instead you keep your current car and invest $89K into 5% tax-free (municipal) bonds for 43 years, you will get $725,320. Driving 40K/year in a 40 mpg car (any hybrid will do this or better, and many gas-only cars) will cost you 1K gallons per year, or $4K. Over 43 years it will be $172K. In other words, purchase of Tesla - if we assume for a moment that it survives for 43 years, which it won't do - will set you back by more than half a million dollars.

Naturally, if the gas price increases this will also change. However there is research already that promises synthetic fuels for less than $2/gal.

58 posted on 06/10/2014 8:46:15 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard

That’s a misleading comparison, isn’t it? A more realistic scenario would be to compare Tesla to a roughly equivalent, new luxury car with the same level of refinement and features.


59 posted on 06/10/2014 8:51:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Greysard

Leaf owners report an avg. of 80 miles. The wives commute is 40 round trip. Her Pacifica gets about 15 MPG on the Hwy. At $4 a gallon that’s $360 per month. I include weekends and round up.

And I’d love a Tesla S, and I love my wife. But I wouldn’t turn her lose in ANY $80k car.


60 posted on 06/10/2014 9:07:17 AM PDT by moehoward
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