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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The time to place NATO troops in Poland was shortly after Poland joined NATO. About 1999 when the US still had tanks and anti tank aircraft in Europe.

Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

9 posted on 04/18/2014 3:22:54 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.


You are forgetting about all those graves across Eastern Europe of people murdered by Russians. Is that is not a Russian provocation? Poland is not the FSU. Putin can get bent if he doesn’t like NATO there.


14 posted on 04/18/2014 3:32:34 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The time to place NATO troops in Poland was shortly after Poland joined NATO. About 1999 when the US still had tanks and anti tank aircraft in Europe. Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

To Russia, *anything* that challenges its long-term goal of world conquest is a provocation.

19 posted on 04/18/2014 3:37:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.”

Quite correct....
Libs and Democrats screamed endlessly at ANY Bush proposal to put troops in Poland, despite the Poles offering free bases, free housing, etc.

I have no problem with permanent basing in Poland, we should have been there LONG ago. But this is reactive, not proactive.


20 posted on 04/18/2014 3:37:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

Everybody is building up their defenses in light of Russia's moves, this won't be equal to the 435,000 that Reagan put in Europe, but the day we are too afraid to move a few troops to a fellow NATO nation, is the day it is truly over for us.

26 posted on 04/18/2014 3:48:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation."

Cuban Missile Crisis - The Sequel
40 posted on 04/18/2014 10:33:38 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

This does not mean much as Russians see the existence of Poland as a provocation. They view the fall of their Evil Empire as the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the last century.

49 posted on 04/19/2014 1:31:06 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Now, the Russians will see this as a provocation.

Only if they want to. Probably they will, because it allows them to deploy more equipment in Belarus and Kaliningrad.

But technically... what those troops are going to do there, outside of messing with the local gene pool? Do they expect to cross the border with Belarus and attack? Or, perhaps, they expect to see Putin's tanks crossing the border in the other direction? None of that is likely. Poland was always fiercely independent, and conquering it is more trouble than it's worth.

Now, Poland is also bordering Ukraine. However deployment of foreign troops in Ukraine is unthinkable because it will be seen by many locals as an occupation. Perhaps the Right Sector and a few fellow travelers will meet them with flowers; but far more will meet them with IEDs (and with EDs that are not I at all.) This will be the final proof that the government in Kiev works for foreign powers. This will start a mass movement to expel "foreign mercenaries," there will be many requests to Putin to help them out, and pretty soon Putin will announce that as a true democratic leader he cannot ignore rightful requests of his Ukrainian brothers and sisters... and so on.

NATO won't be able to win that confrontation because it has no clear reason why they are there, so political support for US soldiers dying in Ukrainian steppes will be extremely low. There will be no legal reason either, as the government in Kiev was never elected - it came to power after a coup, so it has no legitimacy. There will be no military power as well, because NATO has supply lines over half the planet, whereas Ukrainians and Russians have supply depots right there. This is why deployment of troops without any way to use them is only an empty gesture. It not only does not help; it hurts, like flipping the bird to a group of gang members in the street.

76 posted on 04/19/2014 1:51:39 PM PDT by Greysard
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