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Russia, Putin, Ukraine: Some Background

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by varmintman

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To: Marguerite

Greater Russia means enfolding traditionally Russian territories in the Kremlin’s embrace. Putin want less to restore the Soviet Union than Czarist Russia. I suspect he hates Communism as much he hates the West.


141 posted on 03/19/2014 5:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: varmintman
Well that's convienient!

Shots that killed both civilians and police officers were fired from the Philharmonic Hall building in Ukraine’s capital, former head of the Security Service of Ukraine Aleksandr Yakimenko told Russia 1 channel

Being of sound mind, I would say that dealing with the opposition in spite of this constant propagandizing from the Russian Security Services, would far better then doing what I want to do.

Which is launching a first strike. But I'm willing to compromise....a little bit..

142 posted on 03/19/2014 5:32:01 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
You might want to watch this item before suggesting any first strike ideas...

http://larouchepac.com/unsurvivable

143 posted on 03/19/2014 5:38:54 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
After going through the cold war beginning when I was a child, I can tell you exactly why I would push that button and do it without hesitation.

No need to try and convince me otherwise. I have had or 50 years to contemplate it. If these turkeys want another one of these Mexican standoffs, I would advise anyone to just end it now.

144 posted on 03/19/2014 5:44:03 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: varmintman
Good grief...I Thought the larouchers had all dried up and blown away....or rotted..
145 posted on 03/19/2014 5:45:57 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
I would advise anyone to just end it now.

There actually are ways to commit suicide without taking the entire planet and all the innocent bystanders on it with you...

146 posted on 03/19/2014 5:46:12 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
They could conceivably end up with at least one US Senator this year...

http://www.kesharogers.com

147 posted on 03/19/2014 5:47:35 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: All
Granted WW-II is the most common example of Russia saving the world from anything, that isn't what I had in mind with the OP. What I DID have in mind was Putin turning Russia's computer hackers loose on that East Anglia Climate Unit which in fact did have the effect of bringing the global-warming lunatics into widespread disrepute and stopping any chance they might have had at shutting down most of the world's economies for the glory of Gaea, as they would like to do.

Where we might be right now other than for that action would probably be nobody's idea of fun. Our own pols were either for greenism or totally cowed by it, Putin is the only guy who stood up to it.

148 posted on 03/19/2014 5:51:38 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

You have followed up your Noory and Alex Jones false flag ramblings with a pro Russian propaganda piece from that intellectual heavyweight...Lyndon LaRouche.

Seriously, my 3rd grader could recognize this utter BS.


149 posted on 03/19/2014 6:02:11 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: varmintman
Stay away from Lindon...

He is as crazy as a loony moonbat and always has been. His biggest enemy are the Brits.

While I agree with him only to a certain extent, my agreement is not even close to the reasoning he uses.

If you want quotes I can look them up, but it would be better if you did that. he is even nuttier than Oliver Stone.

Just to begin the study, you can start with this:

Not only was President William (“Bill”) Clinton the victim of a hideous lie created by the British empire; but, the truth of the matter, insofar as I have some relatively expert knowledge of that truth, serves a common purpose. I am qualified, thereby, to report on facts known to me with a certain appropriately perfect knowledge of the circumstances under those victimized persons, who were not only President Clinton and his immediate circles, but the manner in which United States agencies, acting fraudulently, reduced President Clinton to a victim of a rotten scheme orchestrated, primarily, by the British intelligence services, but, also, with shared culpable complicity from members of the Republican Party and certain others at that time.2 What I do know, of my own knowledge respecting this particular matter, bears on two crucial points of evidence, both of which bear, implicitly: on an orchestrated scandal concocted by British intelligence services, using a Republican leadership as its accomplice in this crime against the U.S. Presidency itself, rather than merely the subject of President Clinton as such. The tale begins earlier, with a much earlier meeting of leaders of the Government of Russia, at that time. Then, I had been invited by those Russian leaders, to advise them on matters which I had suggested should be undertaken by President Clinton in the strategic economic interests of the United States. My proposal had been registered with President Clinton, but he had, then, postponed consideration of action on such a matter, to a later time.

150 posted on 03/19/2014 6:02:18 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: varmintman
Russia's only contribution to the allied winning of WWII over Germany's armed forces was only that they sapped far too much of Germany's military might at exactly the right time for us. But they did not do it for that reason.

It was Hitler's biggest and most obvious mistake, (two front war) that made it possible to end the war early without using nuclear weapons which were under development and would have been used otherwise..

So they kept the Germans busy....for a short while while we amassed a arsenal and ended it.

151 posted on 03/19/2014 6:11:09 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Mogger
Yes, Russia did fight Germany. The poster was singing the praises of Putin and claiming he was responsible for the hacking at East Anglia. That's what I was responding to.

Vladimir Putin is the main force responsible for bringing the global warming lunatics into global disrepute and disrepect. Putin apparently got a number of Russia's best hackers in a room and said something like "Guys, I'm not gonna wreck Russia's economy over a bunch of bullshit, I want you to blast your way into that East Anglia Email Database and spread to the four winds whatever you might find there", and they did that:

Seriously?
152 posted on 03/19/2014 6:12:08 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Girlene

Apparently....another carefully thought out reason to support the Russians,,,


153 posted on 03/19/2014 6:14:04 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Girlene

Apparently, Putin is also responsible for the Bob Costas Olympic red-eye meltdown.


154 posted on 03/19/2014 6:23:17 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Lectio Divina...Adoration...Mass)
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To: rbmillerjr

lol


155 posted on 03/19/2014 6:24:26 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: rbmillerjr

lol


156 posted on 03/19/2014 6:26:24 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: varmintman

I did in post 19. Your take on it is “messed up”.


157 posted on 03/19/2014 6:28:05 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Marguerite
The Middle East is closer. Oil is a global commodity and fungible. If the Russians develop new markets, then someone else will fill the vacuum. The only problem is near term because the new infrastructure must be built. Europe has a good oil reserve due to the mild winter.

The lesson learned for Europe is that they must over the long term lessen their dependence on Russia for energy. They will do that.

158 posted on 03/19/2014 7:58:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: little jeremiah

I didn’t write the State Department Human Rights Report. Are you okay with the detailed violations of civil liberties in Russia as outlined in the 53 page report for 2012?


159 posted on 03/19/2014 8:00:39 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Mount Athos
Are you okay with the vicious beatings of Pussy Riot in Sochi?
160 posted on 03/19/2014 8:04:44 AM PDT by kabar
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