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Propane shortage becomes an emergency
Mcall.com ^

Posted on 01/27/2014 2:55:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

As brutal cold continues to blast much of the nation, a propane shortage is driving up heating bills, prompting accusations of price gouging and leading to energy emergencies in more than a dozen states.

"They're worried they might not be able to keep those chickens warm," said Jeff Helms of the Alabama Farmers Federation.

And consumers are grousing about higher prices.

"It looks like there's some price gouging going on," said Phillip Wallace, director of schools in Stewart County, Tenn., which were closed Thursday and Friday because they were short on propane for heating classrooms. The district was due to receive 2,000 gallons. But Wallace complained the propane cost $3.45 a gallon, up from $1.29.

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1 posted on 01/27/2014 2:55:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

I REALLY don’t need this news right now


2 posted on 01/27/2014 2:57:18 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Our whole house generator runs on propane, but barring any extended outages, it doesn’t use much. If it does go out though, the bill will be a heck of a sticker shock.


3 posted on 01/27/2014 3:06:51 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: knarf

Uuuuunh! Doesn’t propane slow down turning to gas at 0 or colder?

Went to a relative’s house for Christmas diner one year. Down to 10 degrees. Propane wouldn’t flow to the oven so we had ham sandwiches instead of turkey


4 posted on 01/27/2014 3:07:35 AM PST by plangent
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To: Red in Blue PA
But Wallace complained the propane cost $3.45 a gallon, up from $1.29.

???
I got a $3.49 quote in December, that seemed high but I had no choice, so I ordered it. By the time they delivered the bastards charged me $3.99 This is the last year I am going to be held hostage, I am going to buy my own tanks.

5 posted on 01/27/2014 3:12:31 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: plangent
Hmmmm ... I don't think so.

I'm in SW Pa and the last two weeks have been closer to 0 and below than not and the only thing I saw was a slightly smaller flame (I use propane for my cook stove ... 100 gallons lasts ... well ... my last fill was Oct. 2010 )

6 posted on 01/27/2014 3:12:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: palmer
Owning your own tank(s) will still demand they need to be filled/refilled.

I own mine, but I'm calling the fuel company when they open in a couple of hours.

I'm not so concerned about propane as I am about home heating oil.

7 posted on 01/27/2014 3:15:02 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Call and ask for Hank...


8 posted on 01/27/2014 3:17:33 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: palmer

How much will they cost?


9 posted on 01/27/2014 3:21:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: knarf

I have about 6 acres of woods...


10 posted on 01/27/2014 3:22:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Its not GD price gouging, its the market.

There’s no such thing as price gouging.


11 posted on 01/27/2014 3:30:32 AM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Crazieman

Agree. Back during the period after Hurricane Sandy, some gas stations were charging $6.00 per gallon. Some called that gouging.

But with so few trucks getting through with gas, that is a price which the market came to which necessarily kept people from hoarding if they did not need it. High prices serve a purpose during times like that and I saw it first-hand.


12 posted on 01/27/2014 3:34:52 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elsie

Not sure. But I have to pay $90 a year for “tank rental” right now, so whatever they cost is worth it.


13 posted on 01/27/2014 3:42:49 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: knarf

We just ordered propane here in east central Indiana. They quoted a price of $6.25! The receptionist said they were not getting their usual supplies; a shortage. Our vendor is limiting each delivery to 200 gallons. Thankfully this is for heating our workshop and not our home.


14 posted on 01/27/2014 3:54:25 AM PST by raisincane (I'm a resident of Realville.)
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To: plangent

I believe it freezes at -58F.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 4:01:24 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Crazieman

I’m not saying it is happening in this case but intentionally causing shortages to push up prices is gouging. It’s the reason we don’t like monopolies.


16 posted on 01/27/2014 4:10:01 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What high prices accomplish is ensuring that the wealthy get what they want while the do without regardless of need. That’s why left wing elites like high gas prices.


17 posted on 01/27/2014 4:14:02 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

I meant to include the word poor.


18 posted on 01/27/2014 4:15:57 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

During the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan, Potassium Iodide tablets which normally sell for $10 were selling for $300 on Ebay. People in places like Kansas were buying them when there was no need. Once again, high prices ensured that only those who needed them most ought them. Why keep the price artificially low so that paranoid people who live nowhere near a nuclear plant can hoard them? That is insane.


19 posted on 01/27/2014 4:24:46 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: palmer
This is the last year I am going to be held hostage, I am going to buy my own tanks.

Good move.....but the companies are so busy delivering propane you might have to wait a while....

then you still have to buy propane to fill the tank.

If you don't have a contract with a delivery company ...you will be at the bottom of the list as priority goes to those with annual contracts.

20 posted on 01/27/2014 4:26:40 AM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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