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NSA Official: 'We Are Now a Police State'
CNS News ^ | December 19, 2013 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 01/17/2014 2:35:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Fai Mao

A couple of years ago, a co-worker and I were discussing the film “The Lives of Others.” I posited that if we were not careful, we would end up that way. He literally laughed at me. He has retired since then, but if I run into him, you can rest assured I will remind him of this. By the way, he is a conservative.


21 posted on 01/17/2014 2:58:40 PM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, it's pretty clear that the "Public Servants" are NOT.

Tax Slaves, we've become.

22 posted on 01/17/2014 2:59:35 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: arderkrag

>>Police state? Yeh, I was thinking about that while I went through the security checkpoint on my way to the state re-education center to turn in my unapproved propaganda. Got a tinfoil hat on you? Mine’s blown off somewhere.

Your 20th century thinking is limiting your ability to see. In the 30’s, people had information on paper. They worked with real objects. Their prized material goods were...well...material.

Today, information is everything. It is our identity, our work, and for the younger generations, it is even their things of value.

A couple entries in a database and you can’t get car insurance, or the insurance you have no longer exists. Someone can hack your accounts and upload some child porn, and you become an instant pariah.

The NSA is the instrument of the 21st century police state and your tinfoil hat won’t protect you anymore because you carry the mind control device in your pocket.


23 posted on 01/17/2014 3:02:02 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92
The NSA is the instrument of the 21st century police state and your tinfoil hat won’t protect you anymore because you carry the mind control device in your pocket.

You mean my lip balm?


CARMEX, HOW COULD YOU?
24 posted on 01/17/2014 3:06:25 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: arderkrag
Police state? Yeh, I was thinking about that while I went through the security checkpoint on my way to the state re-education center to turn in my unapproved propaganda. Got a tinfoil hat on you? Mine's blown off somewhere.

Jesus H. Christ. ALL the revelations and you talk about TIN FOIL HATS??!?

Will you admit to being in a police state once you hear of many of the goons breaking doors down of people who might think differently than the State approves of?

Or will it require that they actually break YOUR door down?

And even then, will you admit it?

Look: Normally I would write "may your chains rest lightly upon you" but it looks like the chains will be on us all... so I will get scant Shaedenfreude from knowing you, too, suffer.

25 posted on 01/17/2014 3:07:42 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"What happened to Dave Powers?"
"He lost."
26 posted on 01/17/2014 3:08:09 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Bryanw92
"She said I got a surprise for you

A child is coming

A child is coming

A child is coming to you

**********

What are we gonna do when Uncle Samuel comes around Askin' for the young one's name

And lookin' for the print of his hand for the files in their numbers game

I don't want his chances for freedom to ever be that slim

Let's not tell 'em about him —"

****

The hippie philosophy was/is not orthogonal to that of Constitutionalists.

27 posted on 01/17/2014 3:08:12 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: arderkrag
Wow. You are involved with the police state somehow, aren't you?

That's the only reason I can come up with, that you would mock what is obviously happening.

28 posted on 01/17/2014 3:08:47 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: PapaBear3625
In the current system, the government has the means to gather all the info it needs, to railroad anybody who displeases the powers that be. The Obama administration has also repeatedly demonstrated the willingness to use power to punish political opponents.

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29 posted on 01/17/2014 3:09:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: P.O.E.

I think thats the plan alright.

How we stop them...I dont know.


30 posted on 01/17/2014 3:10:22 PM PST by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: arderkrag

>>You mean my lip balm?

Joke about it all you want. How old are you? If you are over 60, then the Information Age can be a joke to you, however the government doesn’t really consider you to be much of an issue anymore. Oh sure, you vote, but elections are rigged now by the very electronic devices that you are laughing at.


31 posted on 01/17/2014 3:12:21 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: cherry
they just have all this stuff at their command..

Just imagine how bad it would be if they collected information on a Speaker of the House or a Supreme Court Justice.

32 posted on 01/17/2014 3:12:46 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Paladin2

>>The hippie philosophy was/is not orthogonal to that of Constitutionalists.

I know. Until they merged with the hard drug culture, they really were the Tea Party. I have a lot of respect these days for real hippies (not the Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing Yuppies that think they’re counter-cultural today, but the real thing).


33 posted on 01/17/2014 3:15:21 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The main use of the collection from these [NSA spying] programs [is] for law enforcement."

Depends on your definition of law enforcement. Nothing they collect could be used in a court of law. 4th amendment strictures, criminal procedure, rules of evidence, chain of custody, stuff like that really complicates things. Now if you're just going to scoop folks up and "detain" them like a good old fashioned military junta...well, your good to go!
34 posted on 01/17/2014 3:15:59 PM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Bryanw92

I knew that free flashlight from the vendor survey was too good to be true.


35 posted on 01/17/2014 3:20:54 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has anyone done a return on investment analysis for this gargantuan data collection system?
I can’t imagine how much money several hundred acres of servers costs, but it can’t be cheap. Exactly how many terrorists has this allowed us to capture?


36 posted on 01/17/2014 3:23:23 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Democrats believe in a two-party system—the masters and the slaves.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Has anyone done a return on investment analysis for this gargantuan data collection system? I can’t imagine how much money several hundred acres of servers costs, but it can’t be cheap. Exactly how many terrorists has this allowed us to capture?

I don't think 'Divide By Zero' is an allowable mathematical construct.

37 posted on 01/17/2014 3:25:15 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: ladyjane
Just imagine how bad it would be if they collected information on a Speaker of the House or a Supreme Court Justice.

Ouch.
38 posted on 01/17/2014 3:26:26 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MeshugeMikey
How we stop them...I dont know.

The  biggest problem I'm going to have with the zombie apocalypse is wiping the huge grin off my face.

39 posted on 01/17/2014 3:35:47 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: BuffaloJack

-——Exactly how many terrorists has this allowed us to capture-——

The whole point is to secretly observe enemies. There can be no ROI calculations because of the need for secrecy . In war secrecy, intense secrecy, is justified. To argue otherwise is just plain foolish.

There is no evidence at all of misuse of the meta data. My sense is that federal and local meta data is obtained outside the NSA with no warrant. That info can be used to get a warrant with adequate probable cause.

Collection and use of third party metadata is not a violation of the constitution.


40 posted on 01/17/2014 3:37:09 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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