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School Board votes to rename Nathan Bedford Forrest High School
ActionNewsJax.coim ^ | 12/17/2013 | Alyana Gomez

Posted on 12/17/2013 12:47:34 PM PST by South40

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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

“I hope Neil Young will remember...a Southern Man don’t need him around anyhow!....Sweet Home Alabama....”


61 posted on 12/17/2013 2:43:59 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: EveningStar

You are welcome my FRiend. Forrest was a better man than the Al Sharpton led society of today is willing to give him credit for.


62 posted on 12/17/2013 2:45:17 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Want a real guffaw.... drive down I-95 and past Pedro’s South of the Border in Dillon, SC and there is an interchange sign naming the interchange “Ben Bernanke” interchange (with federal money that paid for it). Seems that jewish Ben’s family has been in Dillon since the WBTS (Civil War aka)as pawnbrokers/merchants, and Ben old buddy old pal was a freaking waiter at Pedros (kid you not). This being the dude that heads the Federal Reserve. God Help Us.


63 posted on 12/17/2013 2:46:32 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: South40

Stupid Is as Stupid Does!


64 posted on 12/17/2013 3:13:05 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: South40
So does anyone know when Tom Hanks is returning his Oscar for portraying Forrest Gump insomuch as the Forrest Gump character was named after Nathan Bedford Forrest?

The shame must be unbearable for him and Robert Zemeckis who also got an Oscar for the same movie. It would go a a long way to show solidarity with the progressive struggle to erase all vestiges of selective history./S (..sounds of crickets chirping...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Gump_(novel)

65 posted on 12/17/2013 3:21:46 PM PST by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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lol!


66 posted on 12/17/2013 3:43:25 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: John S Mosby

Roll Tide.

Mosby was a Ranger.

RLTW


67 posted on 12/17/2013 4:01:55 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: South40

My first thought was of ‘Sheets’ Byrd when I heard about this.


68 posted on 12/17/2013 4:51:08 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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My first thought was of ‘Sheets’ Byrd when I heard about this.

Mine too. Along with many in the JAX area who I know., both family & friend. It's just wrong to rename this school and allow Byrd's name to stay. But Byrd was a liberal democRAT, so that is the difference.

69 posted on 12/17/2013 5:38:34 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: firebrand; South40; skinkinthegrass; GeronL; Pollster1; Graewoulf; John S Mosby
We all know that the argument here about renaming the school is really only a skirmish in the culture war which is ultimately going to determine the political fate of America.

In that war we conservatives are greatly handicapped because we are fettered to the truth while liberals are uninhibited. We conservatives, therefore, must fight the fight with both feet fixed to the truth while liberals can and do resort to ad hominem calumnies, historical distortions, and rank demagoguery. They can cynically play with the emotions while we must try to enlighten with reason. Their cynicism has been consciously cultivated in academia by the disciples of The Frankfurt School and by the disciples of Saul Alinsky of whom Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama must be counted. In waging this war the cynics know that "the issue is never the issue" rather it is is merely the shape of the negotiating table.

So the left distorts as it applies George Santayana, they will rewrite history so they can shape the future.

In my about page I asked rhetorically, "What do historians and liberals need from Nathan Bedford Forrest today?" They need a villain.

We are concerned with rightly assessing the character of Nathan Bedford Forrest while The Left doesn't give a damn about the truth of his biography but only about winning today's skirmish in the culture war. Anyone who disputes this should consider the fate of the city Commissioner of Washington DC who committed the mortal sin of properly but publicly using the word "niggardly."

What are the stakes in the battle over renaming this school? We must elevate our gaze from this passing skirmish, past tactics to the leftists' strategy. If one sets out, like Barack Obama, to transform America, one is confronted immediately with the sacred attachment of the people to the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. It is no surprise that Barack Obama regards these documents as impediments to the transformation of this country. He has advocated the reshaping of the Constitution and so has Hillary. Nationalism has always been regarded to be an obstacle to one world socialism. Marx predicted the doing away with the nation state. That unavoidably must be accomplished if the United States as the main bulwark against leftism is to be neutralized and secular heaven accomplished.

In other words, patriotism must be discredited. If America is not seen in terms of Thomas Jefferson's soaring rhetoric in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal but as a racist society only dragged kicking and screaming to decency by the exertions of the left, the process is well underway. Saul Alinsky preached that the enemy must be identified, caricatured and vilified. In other words, they need a villain. Who could be fashioned into a more splendid villain than an anti-bellum slave trader who, postwar, founded the Ku Klux Klan, a terrorist organization? This villain is not just to be seen as a name written over the entrance to a school, he is to personify an entire region of the nation, he is to be a figure of The Right, the spiritual ancestor of The Tea Party, the man who discredits America, and all because he is, of course, an unredeemed racist.

This is a good time to insert Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics: all politics in America is not local but ultimately racial.

The problem for the left, which they simply ignore to death, is that the larger-than-life story of Nathan Bedford Forrest does not end with the founding of the Ku Klux Klan. It includes his actions to disband The Klan and his efforts to bring about reconciliation between the races. Worse for the narrative, the story turns on the reason why Forrest turned 180°: Nathan Bedford Forrest repented as a Christian.

So we have the perfect villain, a slaver, a racist, the founder the Ku Klux Klan, a terrorist all embodied in one man but the perfect image gets ruined by Forrest's christian repentance. It is not an accident that along with patriotism and the few remaining constraints of the United States Constitution, the left has targeted Christianity to be destroyed. This is plain from the writings of The Frankfurt School.

Christianity is to be credited historically with more than producing in the enlightenment a one dimension revolution in legitimate sovereignty by investing it in the individual who gets it direct from God and then lends legitimacy to the government. Thus replacing a model in which legitimacy is invested by God in the Sovereign who, in turn, deigns to bless his subjects with largess. Christianity designates man as the fundamental building block of God's universe upon which is built the family and the nation. In this universe the arrangement is between man and God. Socialism (or Alinsky-ism, or any excrescence of statism) is a collectivist mentality and legitimacy resides in the collective so individuals are regarded to be loose cannons who are liable to atomize the collective coherence. The individual's family and the nation which he builds are likewise enemies of the collective paradigm because they are organisms which compete for living space in the collectivists' closed universe.

Firebrand, mindful of our duty to history quite properly raises the question, what evidence is there of Nathan Bedford Forrest's christian epiphany?

Since writing my About Page some years ago I have come across a new book which I have not yet been able to get my hands on here in Germany but which appears to be available digitally, written by a Southern Baptist minister, Shane Kastler, which fully explores Forrest's conversion, "Nathan Bedford Forrest's Redemption."

One reads from Amazon a quotation from the back flap of the book ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589808347/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d1_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1NGCDR2VKCNKX6Q8EW07&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846 ):

Nathan Bedford Forrest is remembered by history as a fearsome yet skilled Confederate leader whose reputation has been marred by accusations of cold-blooded murder and racism. However, many may be surprised to know that the former slave trader and early member of the Ku Klux Klan eventually dedicated his life to God and became a staunch advocate for African Americans. This spiritual biography follows Forrest from his childhood through his conversion to Christianity in 1875, revealing a humble side of the enigmatic historical figure. Focusing on the roles various individuals played in bringing the former general to Christ, details on Forrest's final years document his radical transformation from a ruthless warrior to a pious Christian.

The author has his own webpage with several laudatory reviews, some of which are replicated from Amazon, to be found here:

http://www.sekastler.com/5.html

As one exposed to the southern evangelical tradition, I can readily understand the Christian conversion of Nathan Bedford Forrest. An examination of the reviews cited indicate that this book is a work of reasonable scholarship.

History now presents us with the biography of another terrorist, Nelson Mandela, who is universally lionized around the world. More than a terrorist, Nelson Mandela was a communist. Perhaps that explains why modern historians permit him to repent of his sins while granting no editorial space to Nathan Bedford Forrest for his Christian repentance.

Mandela gains the world while Nathan Bedford Forrest loses a school.


70 posted on 12/18/2013 2:34:32 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: marron; Paladin2
please see my reply #70


71 posted on 12/18/2013 2:37:17 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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