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Are True Conservatives A Minority In America?
Political Realities ^ | 12/13/13 | LD Jackson

Posted on 12/13/2013 3:37:52 AM PST by LD Jackson

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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Because the numbers matter, and control of the committees and floor give those conservatives, that are in place, a fighting chance to win policy battles."

I haven't seen that. The Republicans held both branches of congress and the Presidency for six years last decade and I don't recall winning any "policy battles". They played the Dem game as much then as they do now. Reelections and good press is all anyone from either party care about. And they will spend as much public to buy votes as it takes to get the job done. A plague on both their houses.

61 posted on 12/13/2013 6:06:39 AM PST by circlecity
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To: JRandomFreeper
A bill introduced by a socialist

Amash is a socialist??

I think it's time to back away slowly and take a deep breath.

62 posted on 12/13/2013 6:21:07 AM PST by kobald
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To: LD Jackson

Mark Levin finally realized this week what many of us have already known. The GOP will never step up and do what is necessary to save this country. We will end up in a terrible economic crash. Perhaps then things will change.


63 posted on 12/13/2013 6:24:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: AlexW
Being a devoted FReeper is great, but we are a very small minority in the scheme of Obumbo’s USSA. Reality has very hard knocks.

I agree. All his (many) flaws aside, Romney's "47%" comment was dead on. Half of the country (at least) consists of dedicated statists. Of those who aren't, how many could be described as "truly" conservative? Half, at best?

64 posted on 12/13/2013 6:32:26 AM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: angcat

I guess what I meant was how the run their business and finances. A vast majority of conservatives (not to mention Americans) are reprobates when it comes to morals and such.


65 posted on 12/13/2013 6:33:02 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LD Jackson

Yes.

Now I’ll read the article.


66 posted on 12/13/2013 6:34:49 AM PST by NeoCaveman (DC, it's Versailles on the Potomac but without the food and culture)
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To: LD Jackson

It’s important to remember that “conservative” is an umbrella term, and covers “conservative” ideas that are almost mutually exclusive, so if you support one, you cannot support another.

So to achieve the overall concept of conservative, you have to fall back to its deeper meanings, not just the narrow focus of the different “flavors” of conservative.

To start with, the different definitions of conservative. Note, there is some overlap.

1) Status Quo conservatives. These are conservatives who are willing to accept whatever the situation is right now. They do not want dramatic change in any direction, only slow, gradual change. They have no particular agenda other than stability and constancy.

2) Social/Religious conservatives. They stand opposed to government sponsorship of negative and destructive social policies, and want to end them. They want significant change away from them as soon as possible.

3) Business conservatives. Best typified by Calvin Coolidge, who said “The chief business of the American people is business.” However, many of these type conservatives have somewhat lost their way, by being attracted to internationalism. This confuses corporate profits with national economic good, which are not the same thing. Corporations can make great profits by outsourcing, for example, but this hurts us as a nation. In this way, also, they find much in common with internationalist socialists. Again, not a good thing.

4) Libertarian conservatives. Not Libertarians, as such, they reject direct federal government involvement in their lives. They want to stop being pestered by government, to being forced to involve themselves with government. To have to watch the government being in the news every single time they watch it. They want government to shut up and govern, not act like a small child throwing a tantrum because it demands constant attention.

5) Military/Police/Intelligence conservatives. They support the “Pax Americana”, world policeman role; envision the 100+ federal police agencies as not enough domestic security; and also embrace the complete surveillance state, because privacy promulgates criminality. George W. Bush is the perfect example of this. It has gone to its logical extremes, and is egregiously expensive while producing minimal return. Likewise, what it built with good intentions is instantly corrupted by Democrats who have none.

6) Constitutional originalist conservatives. They seek to erase over a hundred years of progressivism, as being necessary for the survival of the nation. A small bloc of conservatives, they imagine the long term agenda of conservatism.

7) Other conservatives. There are many other forms of conservatism, some of which are just a rejection of socialist-liberalism and fascism, internationalism and open borders, etc.


67 posted on 12/13/2013 6:47:25 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: AlexW

You just keep stepping in it.

The “we” is that “small group of sad kids” (wow, you certainly know how to turn a phrase!), who have commented on the subject.

Again, you leave yourself open. If you had enough money to retire, why did you go out and blow it on “visiting the world.” Hardly what I would call planning.

BTW, I’m not “slaving away.” I have been retired for some time now and enjoy my 4,000 sq. ft. house with 25 acres of woodlands and a large pond and another house with 15 acres in another state. Not your tropical paradise but it’ll do.

Anyway, you’ve made your bed. Just stop telling the rest of us in America how superior your lifestyle is in The Philippines.


68 posted on 12/13/2013 7:04:53 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: kobald
Amash is a Paultard. Conyers is a socialist.

/johnny

69 posted on 12/13/2013 7:13:58 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Why is it that they’re the ones trying to uphold the Constitution, while the GOP Establishment wipes their arses with it?


70 posted on 12/13/2013 7:24:00 AM PST by kobald
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To: Biggirl

I despise that quote and call it BS. It might be true for some but I looked liberal but by no means was I. I had a heart and because of it I was never a liberal. If one is twenty or younger and a conservative then one is somehow a heartless and nasty person. Total BS. I don’t mean to be overly literal but this one has always irked me.


71 posted on 12/13/2013 7:46:27 AM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: snoringbear
We still have quite a few here who participate in what I call "Free Republic Dancing with the Stars" featuring:

the “Cutting Waste and Fraud Will Solve The Problem Two-Step”

the “Get Rid of Every Government Program Except The One That Benefits ME Tango”

the “Tax The Snot Out Of My Grandkids, But Keep My Check Coming Waltz”

the "But I Paid In, and They Promised Me! Cha-Cha-Cha"

and that evergreen favorite, the “Kick The Can Down The Alley Until After I’m Dead Fox Trot"!

And that's here on this hard core conservative forum. So among the public at large, yes, conservatives are a minority, and not a particularly large one.

72 posted on 12/13/2013 8:59:33 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: LD Jackson

Talk to 5 different people self identifying as conservative and I’d guess you’d get 5 different definitions of what it is to be a “true” conservative.

Lots of overlap, of course, but getting to the nitty gritty, different.


73 posted on 12/13/2013 9:06:09 AM PST by dmz
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To: demshateGod

“They” are part of the problem, not part of the solution. O would not be selfie if they had bothered.


74 posted on 12/13/2013 9:07:04 AM PST by HChampagne
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To: HChampagne

4 million stayed home because they had no choice in the election they don’t vote for liberals and Romney was a liberal. The GOPe is about to get another dose of principle when even more of their base sits out the 14 and 16 elections because of their never ending deluge of liberal, Me Too just a little cheaper..., candidates they trot out and expect conservatives to vote for.

The fifth column is alive and well in the GOP and they are all in positions of power to sabotage or stop any conservative action.


75 posted on 12/13/2013 11:33:12 AM PST by sarge83
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To: circlecity
The Republicans held both branches of congress and the Presidency for six years last decade

Maybe so, but that was basically GOPe...there was no TEAparty yet.

Now, there is an opportunity to elect more TEApublicans, replace some RINOs and do what I said.

Of course if the LIV conservatives stupidly stay home again...Fogedaboudit.

76 posted on 12/13/2013 4:54:02 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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