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Parents and Teachers Object to Common Core
Townhall.com ^ | December 13, 2013 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 12/10/2013 10:57:14 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/10/2013 10:57:14 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I actually see what they’re trying to get at with that question.

Let’s say I hope they are intending teaching a paradigm to the kids, like “how to deal with the standard coffee cup problem.” Teaching rote to this kind of test will be ipso facto impossible and maybe that was part of the idea.

We have issues of good pedagogy and issues of Federal involvement and they needn’t be intertwined. Bush erred, I believe, in creating this No Child Left Behind program because it was going to turn into a top-down imposed, one-size-fits-all thing, with bribes that would provide perverse incentives for dishonesty. If the government went back to the biblical role of speaking well of those who do well, for example an honor roll of schools, that would remove these bribes, and be cheaper as well as more honest.


2 posted on 12/10/2013 11:12:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

One of the Bush kids is heavily involved/invested with a company that sells curricula. Hence Bush’s involvement with education. Family’s got to stick together and all that.


3 posted on 12/10/2013 11:14:56 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

One could heap cynical scorn, or one could press for things that make the cynicism unnecessary. The second one is ultimately what will help. We tend to be a big scornfest here.


4 posted on 12/10/2013 11:16:03 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Calling a spade a spade isn’t scorn.

It’s the first step of a 12 step program. First, admit the problem.

Corruption. It isn’t just for the left.


5 posted on 12/10/2013 11:17:04 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Kaslin

I would hope they would object LOUD and CLEAR.


6 posted on 12/10/2013 11:17:08 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Black Agnes

I mean, nobody knows if the pedagogy that this scion is pushing is a bad or good pedagogy. We have to go more than skin deep here to say anything sensible.


7 posted on 12/10/2013 11:17:50 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Black Agnes

Well you only went skin deep.


8 posted on 12/10/2013 11:18:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Black Agnes

And indeed that’s a LIBERAL characteristic: only go skin deep.

You might have learned too much, rather than too little, from liberals.


9 posted on 12/10/2013 11:19:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Corruption isn’t skin deep.

It’s the whole core of the problem.

Why do YOU think Bush pushed ‘no child left behind’ knowing his brother was heavily invested in a company that stood to make BILLIONS from that legislation?


10 posted on 12/10/2013 11:22:32 AM PST by Black Agnes
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I get it. The answer is the kid is ordering his Starbucks Latte with whole milk and is getting six cents change. Now that’s teaching kids practical skills.


11 posted on 12/10/2013 11:23:31 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Kaslin
Does anyone know the history of Common Core...was it started under Obama or before? Who instituted it? Is there mandatory involvement, or is it elective for all school districts? ?
12 posted on 12/10/2013 11:26:24 AM PST by Swede Girl
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To: Kaslin

Not sure what everyone is complaining about since the primary functions of government schools are sports, clubs, breakfast and lunch and if something in the way of leaning happens that’s just a bonus.


13 posted on 12/10/2013 11:27:52 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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Since parents and teachers evidently don't know the Constitution and its history, they're clueless, and consequently so are the children, about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers.

Otherwise, communities could argue that, since the states have never delegated to feds, via the Constitution, the specific power to address schooling issues, an exception being military training establishments, not only does the federal government actually have no legislative control over schools, but Congress cannot lay taxes in the name of schooling. This is evidenced by Justice John Marshiall's official clarification that Congress cannot lay taxes in the name of state power issues, such issues protected by the 10th Amendment.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, where state funding of public schools is concerned, state lawmakers are evidently as clueless about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers as the citizens who elected them to office are. This is evidenced by fact that state lawmakers have never lifted a finger to stop Congress from stealing what are arguably state revenues from leaving their states in the form of unconstitutional federal taxes, revenues which the states could use to run their public schools the way that they see fit.

And adding insult to injury, corrupt Congress uses the dollars that it stole from the states to make sure that Constitution-ignorant school children get indoctrinated to use their votes to support socialist lawmakers who buy votes with unconstitutional federal government entitlement programs.

Are we having fun yet?

14 posted on 12/10/2013 11:53:35 AM PST by Amendment10
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Here is the best article I’ve found on the background of Common Core. Some really excellent research went into the writing of this piece:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/04/Roots-of-Common-Core-Lie-In-Association-Between-Barack-Obama-And-Bill-Ayers


15 posted on 12/10/2013 11:59:40 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Kaslin
I've noticed most teachers as well as parents are against common core. There are two groups of teachers against it— those to stupid to teach it (harsh but true) and those that are actually good teachers and know what they're being told to teach is wrong. I'll take both as long as they oppose!

Also, I always take the “we're falling to 31st in Science” or whatever with a grain of salt. For one thing, we test all students while other nations only test the top 5-10% of students. Also, US high school students aren't as perfection crazed as other international students and will mess around and not take seriously a test that means nothing to them personally. We had an English essay exam to compare our school to the nation. I can tell you, American students are creative when the grade doesn't count!

16 posted on 12/10/2013 12:56:38 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Black Agnes

Your analysis is skin deep. You have not shown corruption at all.


17 posted on 12/10/2013 1:04:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Black Agnes

I understand, being asked to show actual proof of wrongdoing is not what you are used to.

But again maybe you have learned too much from liberals.

If every time there was a superficial “optics” issue we stopped and screamed, we would be paralyzed.

You are going to need to trace much more here. All you have as a “light” is mere cynicism, and further begging of the question on your part will not be entertained by me.


18 posted on 12/10/2013 1:07:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Lay off the dope.


19 posted on 12/10/2013 1:08:06 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

I figured you would descend into an ad hominem, again unsupported of course, like liberals do.


20 posted on 12/10/2013 1:10:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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