Are we talking about growing a beard, doing w/o electricity, milking cows and so forth?
No matter what happens with obamacare I won't go back to an insurance company. I love the idea that the Doctor works for me and doesn't answer to someone else and that my monthly payments are used to help other Christians in need.
‘(2) SPECIAL RULES- Notwithstanding any other provision of law—
‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES- In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES- The Secretary shall not—
‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’.
What the Obama-care law text REALLY says on IRS enforcement of the personal Mandate fine/tax
I have been researching these for a while, and they are very interesting, but they are also very limited and frankly, almost absurdly “pharisaical” or fundamental in their requirements. For example, at least two of the three require total abstinence from even wine, meaning that they would not accept Jesus as a member. Moreover, this ignores the heart and cardiovascular system benefits of having wine.
They also require some legalistic red tape related to church membership and other activtiies, which opens them up to admin abuses I fear. Another thing they tend to do is eschew the value of participation, ie, they don’t have a cat only high deductible option, which encourages good stewardship.
On the whole, I love the idea for sure - I want to make that clear - and since these groups started these plans, it is their right to regulate membership as they see fit. I do maintain however that like a lot of organized “religion” - they over shoot on the legalism. Still a thousand percent better than Obama Care and I applaud the general idea.
I hope one comes around that addresses some of my concerns...I think there would be a huge market for that.
Wages and bank accounts cannot be garnished for the Obamacare “tax”.
Could not the Knights of Columbus start one for Catholics? Other Christian churches could also start there own and then Obama could take a hike.
5. Many older individuals will be exempt from the mandate
If you need to buy insurance on your own, you’re exempt from the individual mandate if the cost of your coverage is more than 8 percent of your household income. (The percentage is adjusted, over time, using a somewhat complex formula.) This means many older people—who pay higher premiums than younger people—will be exempt from the mandate altogether.
6. If you don’t file a tax return, you’re exempt
You’re also exempt if your income is below the poverty line, or if you don’t file an IRS tax return. Indeed, if you add up all of these exemptions, MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that 40 percent of people who are uninsured are exempt from the individual mandate.
7. ‘Members of recognized religious sects’ and American Indians are also exempt
If you’re a member of a “federally-recognized Indian tribe,” congratulations! You’re also exempt from the individual mandate. This is in part because the Indian Health Service offers government-run health care to members of such tribes. Members of a “recognized religious sect or division,” as specified in Section 1402(g)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code, are also exempt. So, you might be asking yourself: which “religious sects” are exempt?
The Internal Revenue Code exempts an individual from certain taxes if he is “a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care,” including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
Your “sect” has to have been in continuous existence since December 31, 1950, and the Commissioner of Social Security must agree that your sect “has the established tenets or teachings” consistent with opposition to medical benefits. While there are some on the Internet who believe that this religious exemption applies to Islam, it doesn’t appear that way to me, as Muslims are not exempt from Social Security. Instead, the exemption is meant for groups like the Amish.
So if you really hate the individual mandate, you don’t have to burn your Obamacare card—just join the Amish or an Indian tribe!
“regularly attending church” just like our phony “Christian” President, Soetoro
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I do not now nor will I ever participate in obamacare. I checked with my provider and my insurance meets the requirements.
And my premium for myself and three family members is $34 a month. Deductibles and copays aren’t too much either.
As a full time expat, I am exempt.
>> “Those fines can even take the form of wage garnishment. Americans who fail to comply and pay the fine can end up in jail.” <<
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Those are both false statements. The bill prohibits both actions.
What is a Health Care Sharing Ministry?
http://www.healthcaresharing.org/hcsm/
Christian Healthcare Ministries
http://www.chministries.org/
Medi-Share
http://mychristiancare.org/medi-share/
Healthcare Sharing Ministries Provide Christ-Honoring Alternative to Insurance Under Obamacare
http://christiannews.net/2013/10/12/obamacare-insurance-exemption-for-christians-provides-opportunity-to-grow-kingdom-of-god/
Samaritan Ministries
http://samaritanministries.org/how-it-works/faq/
I’m feeling very Mennonite lately.
Great post. VERY interesting.
The desire for that is going to spawn a large cottage industry. Mostly lawyers I'm afraid. But if you've already created an account with healthcare.gov and given them your particulars there's probably not much anyone can do for you.
Rumor has it that Muslims will be declared exempt in 2014. It's still up in the air because the Act mischieviously skirts all around the issue.
There's no way that Muslim exemption would be announced right now. The regime doesn't need THAT hot potatoe during the present Grand Opening gala.
Leni
I feel obligated to avoid supporting an Obamacare plan.
Abortion, socialism, etc..
So I’ve pretty much decided to jump on to Samaritan ministries (one of the 3 plans listed here).
Did a fair amount of research already.