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President Obama ties debt ceiling to Social Security
Politico ^ | 3 Oct 13 | JENNIFER EPSTEIN

Posted on 10/03/2013 4:21:51 PM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: conservaKate
Your point could have been made w/ out the perjorative.

Sorry - I genuinely don't know what you mean. If I used any offensive language or term, I didn't mean to. What are you referring to?

41 posted on 10/03/2013 5:49:16 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“Hardened Democrats.” I just love that.


42 posted on 10/03/2013 5:51:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: SkyPilot

Yeah, I wonder too. Did I just heap praise on a pejorative? I may need to take a shower or something....


43 posted on 10/03/2013 5:53:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: SkyPilot
In an economic shutdown, if we don’t raise the debt ceiling, they don’t go out on time,” he said

Mark Levin tonight laid out ObeyMe's strategy on this. That illegitimate SOB is going to bypass Congress altogether and raise the debt ceiling, thereby allowing himself to be hailed as the savior of SS. You want to talk about Constitutional crisis? A president of the United States is going to usurp the power of the purse.

44 posted on 10/03/2013 6:00:10 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: DuncanWaring

“Not exactly. Especially the older retirees; what they collect is far beyond their contributions.

My mother paid about $200.00 into SS and collected roughly $62,000 when she died at 91.

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45 posted on 10/03/2013 6:04:35 PM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art ot being easily offended.)
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To: workerbee

If Obama raises the debt ceiling on his own, the only recourse is to impeach him. Reid will never allow a real impeachment trial in the Senate even if the House voted for the articles (look what a joke of a “trial” BJ Clinton’s was). They refused to even hear the evidence!


46 posted on 10/03/2013 6:15:14 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: RginTN
Obama is a sadistic piece of crap.

Hussein Obama is very successful in doing what he was put in the White House for: He is destroying America $1 Trillion at a time.

The average American is smart enough to figure it out but they default to letting the press do all of their thinking for them.

And where does the press get their stories from? The government tells them what to print.

Who is Hussein Obama working for? He is obviously not working for us, he is working for them.

47 posted on 10/03/2013 8:07:54 PM PDT by politicianslie (Our first Muslim President laughs at you. Are you waiting for NBC to tell you who he is?)
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To: SkyPilot

This default is exactly what obama and his handlers have been working for. The republicans are screwed. They should have fought this battle in 2011.


48 posted on 10/03/2013 8:16:22 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: conservaKate
Like what they did to create and pass the PPACA, aka Obamacare act?
When Democrats were in the majority of both the House and the Senate?

The nation changing law that is 100% Democrat?
That not even one Republican voted for?

The one passed in a dark night in late December?

Molan Lobe.

49 posted on 10/03/2013 8:32:44 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: SkyPilot; All

As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

It just dawned on me how the Constitution-ignoring, Democrat-invented, Social Security Ponzi scheme is completly incompatible with Constitution-ignoring, Democrat-invented abortion. After all, you need a growing pool of people investing in Ponzi schemes like Social Security to make them work.


50 posted on 10/03/2013 8:42:18 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Hoodat

“Social Security is welfare just like the rest of it. And no, it isn’t their money. Their money got spend the minute the government took it.”

So help me understand... You put your money in a bank for savings and somebody embezzles it, so the bank no longer owes you the money? What planet are you from?


51 posted on 10/04/2013 12:19:40 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: SkyPilot
if we don’t raise the debt ceiling, they don’t go out on time,” he said.

Do it Bambi.

52 posted on 10/04/2013 12:25:02 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Hoodat

its my money....I also pay a nice chunk for the oldsters medicare....I’m just at the right age to get screwed by everybody....


53 posted on 10/04/2013 1:47:32 AM PDT by cherry (.)
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To: babygene
So help me understand... You put your money in a bank for savings and somebody embezzles it

That's not what Social Security is. Social Security is a tax on income and an entitlement program only. It has nothing at all to do with savings.

54 posted on 10/04/2013 2:46:52 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: cherry
its my money....

It stopped being your money the minute government took it. It's a tax just like the rest of the income tax. And yes, you are at the right age to get screwed. So am I. But it is simply a great big lie that somehow that money has been set aside for your savings.

55 posted on 10/04/2013 2:49:29 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: tumblindice

> If government *takes* my money and promises that I’ll get
> it back when I retire ... what is it about that you don’t
> understand?

With enough interest at least to match inflation.

$100 in 1968 is probably $1000 now, if not more.

SS funds should have been invested. In fact, SS should just have morphed into a mandatory 401K, where the owner of the fund actually has some input into the kinds of investments that are made.


56 posted on 10/04/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: SkyPilot

Gee! Look at all of those people at the “rally” who don’t seem to have to work for a living holding up signs within minutes of Obama’s announcement of his plans for Social Security to hold retirement checks.

I’ll bet those signs were made at least a month ago and simply stored by the thuggish Obama brigade to be used on this so-called “spontaneous” demonstration.

Joseph Goebbels should be absolutely amazed that the Obama propaganda machine simply put his into the dust.

Notice that most of them are under the age of 66.


57 posted on 10/08/2013 7:04:52 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Hoodat

Social Security is a tax on income and an entitlement program only. It has nothing at all to do with savings.


You are wrong! IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SAVINGS!

The money confiscated for the Social Security scheme directly impacts the life savings of every American citizen that is forced to pay into the system.

The return on investment if the money were saved in a bank or placed in work on investments would be far more in value that what the individual would get in return from the Social Security system in their remaining lifetime.

You bet your ass that it has something to do with savings...it ROBS citizens of their ability to save and invest because the “contribution” (it’s not call a tax for propaganda purposes) is ripped from their hands before they can save or invest it.


58 posted on 10/08/2013 7:13:47 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH
I stand corrected. My point was that once the government confiscates that money at the point of a gun, it is no longer 'savings'.

Consider a person making $10/hr begins at age 25 to work ten extra hours each week and puts that money into an investment with a 5% yield. He/she continues to do so until reaching the age 45, at which point they stop working the extra hours and no longer contribute a single dime to this investment fund. When that person turns 65, they will be handed a check for $485K. And if that same person happens to die, that money will be handed over to their kids and grandkids, thus breaking the cycle of poverty in future generations.

There is no greater factor in today'w world for exacerbating the cycle of poverty than the Social Security ponzi scheme.

59 posted on 10/08/2013 7:43:37 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Hoodat

I agree with you.


60 posted on 10/08/2013 5:20:52 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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