Posted on 08/05/2013 8:40:00 AM PDT by jazusamo
Physicians have no business interrogating patients about their guns
In the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict, President Obama and other anti-gun advocates have called for changing Florida’s pro-Second Amendment laws. Their chances of getting the “stand your ground” statute overturned are slim, but the anti-gun groups are making significant progress in the Sunshine State in allowing activist doctors to push their agenda to disarm families.
A federal appeals court heard oral arguments on July 18 in the case that has become known as “Docs vs. Glocks.” The issue before the court is whether a patient’s right to privacy and protection from doctors who ask inappropriate political questions about what firearms are in the family home trumps the health care providers’ rights to ask and to keep records of whatever they want.
The Firearm Owners Privacy Act, which Gov. Rick Scott signed into law in June 2011, says that doctors should not ask families about whether they own guns. But if they choose to do so, and a patient feels the doctor has harassed or discriminated against them, he can file a complaint with the medical board so that the doctor’s peers can decide if the accusation is legitimate.
“The wording in the law is ‘should refrain,’” Florida Solicitor General Allen Winsor told the justices of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, according to The Associated Press.”It’s not mandating anything. It’s recommending. The use of the term is critical in this case.”
The issue came about after repeated cases surfaced of children being asked by doctors if there was a gun in the home. During the legislative process, one mother said her pediatrician refused to continue treating her child if she did not respond to questions about firearms at home.
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“...might make the Doc afraid you won’t pay him-...”
In that case, just say “No f***in’ habla!” and watch the FUN begin!!!
LOL!
” Obama is putting genital-sniffers PPhood in control of O’care’s Data Hub (medical version of NSA).”
How bad can bad get....
Agreed.
“...indignant ....” vs “indigence”...
Arrgh...typing error on my part... hey, it’s Monday! No f***ing habla (or Typ-a!!)!!!
BTTT!
Ok, if that's the case, I'm going to ask if my M44 Mosin needs periodic headspace checking. I checked it once after purchasing with a borrowed tool and was fine.
“I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of firearms in my residence.”
Last visit to my doctor about a year ago, I was not asked by the Nurse or Doctor or on any paperwork.
“Well, doctor, I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of firearms in my residence. I don’t discuss my home security with anyone except immediate family members. If I say no, I don’t have any firearms, your computers may be hacked and I might get burglarized by someone who thinks because I’m unarmed, I’m an easy mark for theft.”
“If I tell you yes, I have a gun in my home, again, your computerized files might get hacked and I may get burglarized by someone who wants to steal my firearm (s).”
“Therefore, in order to protect the security of my family and myself, I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of firearms in my home.”
“By the way, doctor, those 200,000 patients who die every year in America because of medical mistakes.....what are YOU doing to reduce the number of patients who die needlessly?”
More than most Republicans, by percentage!
That's why it's galling to be ***coerced*** by the government into asking nosy irrelevant questions. There's a vocabulary word for you, not-so-quick. It means having your arm twisted by a stronger power that makes these nimrod decisions.
But run your mouth the way you handle your trigger, and you're going to hurt yourself or somebody else.
It's neither the doc's choice nor his fault, but he does get mighty sick of stupid people with big mouths. Just shrug and refuse to answer. It's an examination, not a subpoena!!
Make them mad enough, and you'll be dealing with stupid crap on your medical history for the rest of your life. Resist the temptation to take out your immatureM frustration with the system on someone who understand the problems far better than you will EVER know.
If it was fine, then unless you’re shooting thousands upon thousands of rounds through it, it’ll continue to be fine.
The Mosin shoots the 7.62x54R, where the “R” stands for “rimmed” and rimmed cartridges headspace off the rim, not the shoulder as rimless bottlenecked cases do. Unless your bolt face wears, or your bolt locking lugs wear, or the receiver lugs wear... how is your headspace going to change that much? Answer: It isn’t.
How does one properly headspace a rifle? It’s easy, and often mis-understood by a great many people, some supposedly “experts.”
First, there are three gages that are used in headspacing:
“GO:” A “go” gage represents the minimum possible headspace (distance from the front of the rim to the front of the bolt face on a rimmed cartridge rifle). Your bolt must be able to close on a GO gage. Gunsmiths use the GO gage to make sure they have the chamber cut properly - ie, that the chamber is deep enough and (in the case of the Mosin or 7.62x54R or other rimmed cartridge rifles) that the recess for the rim is deep enough to allow the rifle to chamber a factory-spec cartridge properly. This means that the bolt should close easily.
“NO GO:” - A “no go” gage is supposed to represent the maximum headspace (again, distance from the front of the rim to the face of the bolt) acceptable for the rifle when newly made.
Some people also use a “no go” gage as a check for the maximum wear they will allow. There is nothing wrong with doing this, but military armorers don’t do this. “No go” gages are supposed to NOT allow the bolt to close. On a rimmed case gage, the “no go” gage will have a slightly thicker “rim” area on the gage than the “go” gage - usually by 0.004 to 0.006”.
But let’s say your bolt closes on a “no go” gage? Does that make the rifle unsafe? Maybe not.
The usual test for “too much headspace to allow” is the FIELD gage, which will be another 0.004 to 0.006 of headspace. If your rifle closes on a FIELD gage, then you probably need to either “set back” the barrel one thread turn (and re-cut the chamber, trim down the barrel tenon and push the shoulder on the tenon forward), or you could just screw on a new barrel.
One more thing: When you’re checking headspace, you should strip the extractor, firing pin and cocking piece off the bolt. Your bolt should be tested for closure with the minimum of force - you should never invoke the camming force of the bolt. When I’m testing modern bolt guns for headspace, I strip the bolt, but the action in a vise and then just allow the bolt handle to drop of its own weight.
Thanks; based on what you said I believe I used the correct gauge and procedure for the initial test.
guys, guys...most of us are adults. It is not likely that the docs will ask adults. What they are doing is asking parents to leave the room, and asking the kids — “tell me, it’s ok. It’s our secret, so don’t let Mommy know what I ask, and I won’t tell her what you answer. You love Mommy and Daddy, don’t you? and want them to be safe? Now, tell me, how many guns do they have? Where do they keep them?”
One tried that with my daughter when she was about 6. As soon as we came back in the room, my little girl said, “Ima, she wanted me to lie to you about what she asked me. I think she is a bad person, and I don’t like her. I’m going to tell everyone in church about her.”
The doctor turned red and said that she would not treat us any more — and I said, “you’re damn right you won’t. I don’t care what you asked, but how dare you tell a child to keep secrets from her parents.” (So, I lied — I sure did care about what she asked)
It’s not about us saying NOYFB, it is about teaching our children to withstand the govt indoctrination and threats.
Florida state regulates doctors, doctor does misconduct, doctor is displined by florida state regulators.
This is no different than a doctor being prohibited from advising patients that bongo drums will cure an exploded apendix.
Find another physician. Period.
there is no legal confidentiality.
There is no husband/wife confidentiality any more.
no priest/penetant.
Attorney client remains intact, for now, only because of seperation of powers and the legal profession guild.
GE, a DC beltway crony, is making a fortune consolodating our personal medical info.
They have propaganda big brother style commercials on msnbc and cnbc pushing their owellian system. Their spokesman? Agent Smith from the matrix. They also have a classroom with an invasive q&a session. They are truly creepy and frightening commercials given their totalitarian government message.
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