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Snowden has exposed the obvious (China Daily Editorial)
China Daily ^ | 06/21/2013 | OP Rana

Posted on 06/25/2013 9:17:41 PM PDT by TexGrill

The world we live in today is so different from what it was 40 years ago that the Watergate scandal seems like remote history. Yet here we are face to face with another surveillance and espionage drama - yes, that is exactly what former CIA agent and US National Security Agency operative Edward Snowden's expose is. It's a drama with a difference, though, because it is being played out on - and by - the media.

Perhaps - and contrary to the common perception - the NSA's surveillance program is (is, because it has not been terminated) aimed at getting a stranglehold on people and organizations not only to strengthen the US government's hands. It is also aimed at helping US corporations consolidate their hold on the global markets and thus make more profits.

Let's get the facts from the other side, the United States, first. Snowden initially violated his oath to safeguard the US national security secrets entrusted to him by revealing NSA programs, which could affect the "privacy of US citizens". This is what a Western newspaper says.

By claiming that hundreds of the more than 61,000 NSA global hacking operations were directed at the Chinese mainland and Hong Kong, Snowden has given Beijing the moral upper ground in cyber-warfare, says the newspaper. The drama, as it turns out, is all about the privacy of American citizens, which the US administration has been violating anyway since Sept 11, 2001, and China.

(Excerpt) Read more at chinadaily.com.cn ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: snowdenobama
Snowden tip
1 posted on 06/25/2013 9:17:41 PM PDT by TexGrill
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To: TexGrill

I want you to really pay attention to all efforts by the State Media to imply this kid was some sort of Chinese or Russian agent. He wasn’t. Here’ the deal with Snowden: he’s a Millennial, and part of the “Me, Me, Me Generation”. That means he has no respect for anything and believes himself to be the most important person who has ever existed in the history of everything. He sets his life up with him at the pinnacle of a pyramid, and everything else…including country, friends, family, God, whatever…below that (probably in that order). This is what the public schools have been teaching these kids to do since the 1970s, along with instructing them that America is bad and evil and should be destroyed. Is it no surprise, then, that when these kids grow up and get government jobs that they behave this way…and they think they have some sort of duty to steal secrets from the government and release them to the public just because they can? You’re going to see a lot more of this as the Millennials get older and work their way higher in the ranks of intelligence agencies, the military, etc. Theirs is a generation that knows no loyalty to anything but themselves…and the end result is going to be trouble for all of us. They also seem to think that saying “Sorry” or “My bad” is enough to smooth everything away, always, no matter what they do…since they don’t really understand consequences for bad behavior. Their parents always made the consequences go away for them and they as grown men and women still don’t know how to function without mommy and daddy being there. I think public school educated people should be banned from ever working for the CIA, NSA, FBI etc. because we just can’t trust these Millennials in important positions…since their entire childhoods were spent being indoctrinated by the institutional Left to hate this country. They are a generation of sleeper agents.

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2 posted on 06/25/2013 9:24:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: TexGrill

Other than the bogus denial about Chinese currency manipulation or the transfer of manufacturing jobs (with no mention of stolen IP), the take on American companies making money off NSA snooping is probably correct. Frank Carlucci and GHWB this means you.


3 posted on 06/25/2013 9:24:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: TexGrill
It is also aimed at helping US corporations consolidate their hold on the global markets and thus make more profits.

This is where they start getting weird.

4 posted on 06/25/2013 9:30:16 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: schm0e
It is also aimed at helping US corporations consolidate their hold on the global markets and thus make more profits.

This is where they start getting weird.

They're just projecting. That's what the typical current Chinese patriot thinks is the point. China Uber Alles! They've regressed to the 19th Century Great Power POV. Ahhhh! Lament for the sad, sad, sad, and of course entirely inevitable fall of communism as it withers away into state fascism.

heheh.

5 posted on 06/25/2013 10:08:11 PM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I think public school educated people should be banned from ever working for the CIA, NSA, FBI etc. because we just can’t trust these Millennials in important positions…since their entire childhoods were spent being indoctrinated by the institutional Left to hate this country.”

What about those who were schooled in elite, privileged private schools? Appears to me this is where the bulk of the intel folks are recruited.


6 posted on 06/25/2013 10:18:19 PM PDT by miele man
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To: miele man

Only at the upper level is it still “Oh, So Social” (The nickname for the WWII era Office of Strategic Services).


7 posted on 06/25/2013 10:23:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That means he has no respect for anything and believes himself to be the most important person who has ever existed in the history of everything.

... The case against Socrates.

8 posted on 06/25/2013 10:24:28 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: TexGrill

So we have Patrick Leahy (told Osama he was monitored by his sattelite phone from Tora Bora), Rockefeller (reading off Xerox machine trash in the Capital) (Turbin Durbin flying to Baghdad with McDermont giving aid to Bag Dad) and Pelosi Signing that Zippy is qualified as Pres__ent and we’re supposed to believe as Zip Pinhead supplies arms to al Quaeda, Snowden said something wrong? With friends like the U.S., I don’t need any Enemas.


9 posted on 06/26/2013 12:48:26 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Carry_Okie

“Perhaps - and contrary to the common perception - the NSA’s surveillance program is (is, because it has not been terminated) aimed at getting a stranglehold on people and organizations not only to strengthen the US government’s hands. It is also aimed at helping US corporations consolidate their hold on the global markets and thus make more profits.”

Having been involved for an entire career at the point where government meets private enterprise, I can tell you without equivocation that the government will not transfer stolen foreign technology to a company. Most importantly, our government has been staffed by hippie anti-company types since the late 1960’s. The government and everybody I ever worked with is deeply ideologically opposed to profit. But beyond that, which company would benefit from this largesse? If the government gave stealth technology to, say, Lockheed, you can bet that Boeing would find out and senator and lawyer up and complain. (Also, our competitors for the last 40 years have had nothing worth copying.)

Now, this is not true of our trading partners. When I was with Honeywell a negotiator went to France. During the negotiation he told his French corporate partner that he was not empowered to do x. The Frenchman stated, “Yes, you are.” And, proceeded to produce a photocopy of the confidential briefing that had been stolen from the Honeywell employee’s locked briefcase the night before. When the Soviet Union crumbled the US laid off spies. But our European counterparts could not, as they were protected civil servants. They simply changed the spying mission from the Soviets to aid their internal companies against competitors. Believe me, if that happened here it would be a political and legal nightmare for whoever did it.


10 posted on 06/26/2013 2:44:03 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Having been involved for an entire career at the point where government meets private enterprise, I can tell you without equivocation that the government will not transfer stolen foreign technology to a company.

Perhaps not directly, but I don't buy that in total, because it makes no sense. If the technology is critical to national defense, it would be stupid not to, if only to know our adversaries' capabilities. I used to work for a couple of defense contractors doing advanced communications technology and observed upon more than one occasion engineers doing such reverse engineering.

11 posted on 06/26/2013 6:21:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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” I used to work for a couple of defense contractors doing advanced communications technology and observed upon more than one occasion engineers doing such reverse engineering.”

You’re correct. We reverse engineer. Then, we write specifications and whichever agency puts out a bid for a box with XYZ capabilities. But I have never known (on the projects I worked) that the actual technology was given to us.


12 posted on 06/26/2013 1:55:29 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think public school educated people should be banned from ever working for the CIA, NSA, FBI etc. because we just can’t trust these Millennials in important positions…since their entire childhoods were spent being indoctrinated by the institutional Left to hate this country. They are a generation of sleeper agents.

If one of the three-letter agencies is violating the Constitution of the United States of America, would you like somebody to step up and say something about it?

You think one of those private school elites you seem to like is going to be the one to do it?
13 posted on 06/27/2013 6:45:05 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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