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F-35B: Born in the USSR
Russia & India Report ^ | June 10, 2013 | By Rakesh Krishnan Simha

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:05:47 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

The American F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing aircraft has its origins in a secret collaboration between Russia’s Yakovlev and Lockheed Martin of the United States.

The American F-35B – the naval version of the Joint Services Fighter – was not designed in Fort Worth, Texas, but in Moscow, Russia. The ‘unique’ lift fan and vectoring tailpipe that allows the F-35B stealth fighter to perform vertical takeoffs and landings (VTOL) was designed nearly three decades ago by Russia’s Yakovlev aircraft bureau for their supersonic multi-services fighter, the Yak-141.

The Yak-141 was a successful development of the older Yak-38 jump jet. A good example of Russia’s poor record in naval aviation, the Yak-38 was an apology of a fighter, being outperformed in almost every department by its Western rivals such as the highly successful British Sea Harrier.

As part of the Soviet Navy’s massive expansion under Admiral Gorshkov, in 1975 Yakovlev was ordered to develop a highly versatile aircraft. Having an unprecedented blend of supersonic speed, vertical take-off and landing capability and extended range, its main role would be to defend the Soviet Naval Fleet and shipping lanes. The aircraft would not only operate from aircraft carriers, but also from wheeled landing and takeoff platforms that could be placed throughout the country, allowing the Russian Air Force to come into the picture. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at indrus.in ...


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KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35b; jsf; navair; russia
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1 posted on 06/14/2013 12:05:47 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Good article!

To be honest, though, I wish the F-35B variant had never actually been hatched. The JSF was already a compromise design trying to meet the needs of both the USAF and the USN. Trying to make a variant that is STVOL as well has undoubtedly created many of the technical problems, delays, and cost overruns the JSF program has endured.

Now, I don’t blame the Marines for wanting a 21st century replacement for the Harrier, or the Brits for wanting the F-35B as a Harrier replace for their carriers (before they bailed out on the deal). I’m just sayin’ in retrospect, it probably would have been better and less expensive to start with a clean sheet of paper and create a design completely separate from the F-35 A and C versions. What we’re seeing now is bloat that makes McNamara’s adventure with the F-111 look like pocket change.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 12:48:10 AM PDT by DemforBush (Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

LOL. This is just silly.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 1:47:57 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
One of the USSR's best aircraft designers "got stuck" in the US during the Bolshevik revolution and designed the Thunderbolt for the Allies.

The Bolsheviks fought the Nazis with biplanes!

Since WWII, an amazing number of designs should impress even US manufacturers—they certainly have impressed me.

4 posted on 06/14/2013 1:57:02 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: DemforBush

“To be honest, though, I wish the F-35B variant had never actually been hatched. The JSF was already a compromise design trying to meet the needs of both the USAF and the USN.”

I worked on the Future Combat System, the largest army procurement to date. For political reasons it was to be a design that satisfied all of the Army program command’s customers. It would have a front-line combat tank replacement, an ambulance, a scout car, all buit from the same platform. Anything that was not designed into the main vehicle would be, theoretically, paid for by the end Army customer. Well, the program command would never make a decision because each customer truly needed a unique vehicle and didn’t have the money to design their portion. So those customers would never sign off on a base design that wasn’t their complete vehicle.

To get the funding SAIC and Boing searched their pockets and came up with enough Senatorial votes. This meant that the “integrator of integrators” was actually two companies who refused to work together on anything.

The shecedule and spend rates were set in concrete but the documentation that would let the subs start building didn’t show up until a month before the preliminary design review. But those spend rates were met because the upper level bonuses were tied to them. So, companies hired unbelievable numbers of people the last three months of the year, who spent their time, for the most part, playing computer games. Then, they’d lay them off come January in the hopes the Army would eventually send us design documents.

The point of this is, for political reasons, you can’t have a pure design for anything as eventually even the Clean The Floors Command will be you customer. This is one of the basis for cost overruns.


5 posted on 06/14/2013 2:00:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Does so

>>>The Bolsheviks fought the Nazis with biplanes!<<<

In fact Soviets were extremely advanced in aircraft design from late 1920s to mid 1930s.

At the early stage of Spanish civil war their Tupolev SB bombers were faster and more agile than literally every opposing Nazy fighter.

Soviet Rata fighter outclassed any Nazy platform as well until Germans developed and fielded Bf-109 against the Republicans and Russians.

The problem is technology advanced very fast at the time, in 1937 Stalin started his purges of military and defence industry and by 1940 everything has stalled, they ended up with 1930s technology and without any competent leadership.


6 posted on 06/14/2013 2:15:45 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Russki also invented TV, Telephone, Radio, Washing Machine, Pop-Up Toaster, Doorbell, Automobile, Grain Harvester, Umbrella, Weed Wacker, Outboard Motor, Spinning Reel, Radar, Frisbee, Roller Coaster, Rocket to Moon, Rustoleum, Waterbed, Lava Lamp, Helicopter, Airplane, Baseball, Permanent Press Pants, Bicycle, and even kids' sneakers that light up.

In fact, Comrades, modern life as we know it all started in The Rodina, The Motherland of Communism. Capitalist Dog, did I forget Blender?

7 posted on 06/14/2013 2:40:55 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Dr. Pyotr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev - the father of stealth technology.


8 posted on 06/14/2013 3:34:05 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: cunning_fish
"Modern" Soviet fighters saw too little WWII action—when it mattered.

On the Eastern Front, the Nazis used thousands of Russky biplanes for target practice.

The girls of the "Night Witches" applied Stalin's best use of the Russky biplane.

BTW: It was Alexandr Seversky whose design-skills were dearly missed by the Bolshevik Revolution in designing the Allies' P-47.

Lucky us! :)

9 posted on 06/14/2013 3:57:42 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Does so

You miss my point. Biplanes weren’t a backbone of Soviet air force during WWII for sure, thus they had a SMALL number of biplane fighters (i-153). These planes were a rollback from an i-16 known as a rata or mosca. An i-16 was a pretty revolutionary plane for earlier 1930s (a fast agile monoplane featuring retractable landing gear). An i-153 biplane came in 1934 as a less revolutionary alternative but the history proved that even an i-16 turned absolete by late 1930s with a Bf-109 in the skies.
The point is the Soviets has stuck with a technology from the early 1930s with Stalin’s purges.
U-2 biplane in Night Witches’ use weren’t even a combat planes.


10 posted on 06/14/2013 4:19:39 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Brad from Tennessee

You can have the greatest engineers/designers in the world, but if your work force is drunk off vodka and would rather be sleeping, you aren’t going to pull them off.

The Germans had Engineers/Designers AND a ready supply of craftsman AND slave labor to actually build them.


11 posted on 06/14/2013 4:49:32 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Kenny Bunk

12 posted on 06/14/2013 4:49:46 AM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Gen.Blather
To get the funding SAIC and Boing searched their pockets and came up with enough Senatorial votes.

LOL..sadly true concerning just about anything nowadays.

13 posted on 06/14/2013 4:51:41 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: DemforBush
Trying to make a variant that is STVOL(sic) as well has undoubtedly created many of the technical problems, delays, and cost overruns the JSF program has endured.

Right, mismanagement of the JSF project coupled with Lockheed's ineptness has had nothing to do with technical problems, delays and cost overruns. Any idea why the F-35B is farther ahead than the A and C variants to the point that the B will achieve IOC prior to either?

(before they bailed out on the deal).

The Brits are once again procuring the B.

14 posted on 06/14/2013 5:08:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Does so

Obviously, you are not familiar with the Yak-3 and its successor, the Yak-9. The LaGG-5 was also a good fighter, though its predecessors, the LaGG-1 and LaGG-3 got creamed. The Soviets build some amazing planes. Their issues were with pilot training, not their aircraft.

BTW: Germans and Italians were also using biplanes. The Germans used the Henschel Hs 123 until 1944 as dive bomber, and the Italians used the Fiat CR-32 and CR-42 fighters. The Brits still operated the Gloster Gladiator biplane fighter at the beginning of the war and operated the Swordfish and Albacore biplane torpedo bombers for the entire war.


15 posted on 06/14/2013 5:15:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

Canadians and brits also used the Mosquito, one heck of a plane, don’t think anything could match it’s speed.


16 posted on 06/14/2013 5:31:57 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: cunning_fish
The point is the Soviets has stuck with a technology from the early 1930s with Stalin’s purges.

Agreed—and nothing against biplanes, either. As I stated, Russian designs have always impressed me.

"...U-2 biplane in Night Witches’ use weren’t even a combat planes..."

'Didn't write that—but "ground-attack" ain't bad—

Fascinating reading:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache:7JKwZD6IGpAJ:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_Po-2%2BU-2+biplane+in+Night+Witches%E2%80%99&gbv=2&ct=clnk

17 posted on 06/14/2013 6:31:30 AM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Does so

Night Witches actually inflicted little damage to the Nazy. Their primary mission was harassing Germans at nights. If you remember MASH series and their 5 o’clock Charlie it is exactly that the Witches did. Little to none effect but the enemy is nervous and constantly thinking how to deal with you.
Primary Soviet ground attack planes were Il-2 and Aircobra.


18 posted on 06/14/2013 6:40:39 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Tonytitan
A little light reading for you:
Simple Home Surgery for the Siberian Settler
by Dr. Fulowodka Kutchitingov, M.D.

Is true. Along with thousand inventions, in belovèd Rodina we have free medical care for everyone!

19 posted on 06/14/2013 7:01:28 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Billions of rubles wasted when we have these combat ready planes ready to go!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_M-15_Belphegor

or this maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-2

20 posted on 06/14/2013 7:06:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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