Posted on 05/08/2013 8:03:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
In one of my first essays for NRO back in 2005 (Are You an Originalist?), I selected the Constitutions natural born Citizen criterion for eligibility to be presidenta provision that then seemed at the time to be beyond the distorting effects of political biasto illustrate that everyone intuitively recognizes the common-sense principle at the heart of the interpretive methodology of originalism: namely, that the meaning of a constitutional provision is to be determined in accordance with the meaning that it bore at the time that it was adopted. The public debate in 2008 over whether John McCain, having been born in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone to parents who were American citizens, was a natural born Citizen ratified my point, as virtually all commentators purported to undertake an originalist inquiry.
I hadnt seen any reason to comment on the left-wing birther attacks on Senator Ted Cruzs eligibility to be president. Cruz was born in Canada in 1970 to a mother who was then an American citizen. Under the laws then in place, he was an American citizen by virtue of his birth.
As this Congressional Research Service report sums it up (p. 25; see also pp. 16-21), the overwhelming evidence of historical intent, general understandings [in 18th-century America], and common law principles underlying American jurisprudence thus indicate[s] that the most reasonable interpretation of natural born citizens would include those who are considered U.S. citizens at birth or by birth, under existing federal statutory law incorporating long-standing concepts of jus sanguinis, the law of descent. In other words, there is strong originalist material to support the semantic signal that natural born Citizen identifies someone who is a citizen by virtue of the circumstances of his birthas distinguished from someone who is naturalized later in life as a citizen. (In McCains case, the dispute turned on whether he was indeed an American citizen by virtue of his birthor was instead naturalized a citizen under a law enacted when he was eleven months old. For more, see law professor Gabriel Chins lengthy article making the case against McCain.)
To my surprise, the New Republics Noam Scheiber tries to argue that Cruzs embrace of constitutional originalism somehow means that Cruz cant determine that he is a natural born Citizen. But the only evidence that Scheiber offers for this position is the assertion (which Scheiber mischaracterizes as a concession) by a non-originalist law professor in an MSNBC interview that the proposition that a person is a natural born Citizen if he is a citizen by virtue of his birth isnt really clear cut if you limit yourself to the actual wording of the Constitution (thats Scheibers paraphrase) but instead depends on how our understandings have evolved over time. Scheiber both overlooks the powerful originalist evidence in support of Cruzs status as a natural born Citizen and misunderstands how originalist methodology operates. (In public-meaning originalism, you dont limit yourself to the actual wording of the Constitution, and you dont find yourself lost simply because the Constitution never defines what natural born means. You instead look to the public meaning of the term at the time it was adopted.)
My point here isnt to contend that the originalist evidence points entirely in one direction. As law professor Michael Ramsey observes in a post that Ive run across while finalizing this post (a post that also takes issue with Scheiber), there are originalist scholars who dont find the argument entirely conclusive. But Scheibers piece is a cheap whack at Cruz as well as a cheap whack at originalism.
I’m not asking your opinion.
You in 376 agree that 301(a) does not declare an individual to be a natural born citizen.
You know that Article II specifies natural born citizen.
You know the law you cite does not support your claim. Focus on the law as written. It specifies “citizen”. It is a naturalization statute. What if this statute did not exist?
It doesn't declare them to be citizens of the state they live in, either.
But if they are US citizens, then they are also citizens of the State they live in.
So it says they're a US citizen. It doesn't explicitly state that they are a STATE citizen. But by implication, as long as they actually live in a State, they are.
And if they are BORN US citizens, then that almost certainly makes them "NATURAL BORN" citizens, and eligible to be President.
But go on. Ignore all the stuff that's going on that's the really important stuff, and the stuff on which people might actually make a difference. You could be calling your Congressman and demanding an independent special prosecutor to look into the Obama Adminstration's various abuses of power.
But no. You'd rather waste people's time on a stupid fantasy without any basis in history or law, and without the slightest hope of doing any good whatsoever.
You need to review what I said earlier which was:
We've already discussed Purpura elsewhere. The court's claims are not backed up by any legal citations, while the principle I'm talking about was brought up first in Shanks v. Dupont, affirmed in U.S. v. Rhodes and then affirmed again by U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark.
You avoided posting any direct citations, and now we see why. The few sentences this court quoted do not back up its claims. As I said, the only thing that even mentions natural-born citizen is from a citation that makes Obama a British subject.
Perhaps youll also be interested to learn that when a three judge panel of the New Jersey Appellate Court was asked to review the Purpura, Moran v. Obama decision, their affirmation of the initial ruling stated, in part: We have carefully considered appellants arguments and conclude that these arguments are without merit. R. 2:11-3(e)(1)(E). We affirm substantially for the reasons set forth in ALJ Jeff S. Masins THOROUGH and THOUGHTFUL written opinion of April 10, 2012, as adopted by the Secretary on April 12, 2012.
Why would this be interesting?? It's a blanket statement that also fails to give any direct legal citations that supports it claims. There's no compelling argument here. You keep proving my point over and over and over for me. br
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