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As buzz mounts, Ted Cruz’s White House eligibility again questioned
Washingon Times ^

Posted on 05/06/2013 7:09:31 AM PDT by Perdogg

Ted Cruz’s address at the annual South Carolina Republican Party dinner Friday helped feed growing speculation that the freshman senator from Texas is eyeing a run for the White House in 2016 — and raised yet another round of questions about his eligibility to serve in the Oval Office.

Mr. Cruz was born in Canada to an American-born mother and Cuban-born father, and was a citizen from birth — but that Canadian factor puts him in the company of other past candidates who have had their eligibility questioned because of the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; birthers; certifigate; cruz2016; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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To: allmendream

John McPain, just the name makes me want to puke, and it does not make me want to visit AZ either.


61 posted on 05/06/2013 8:02:45 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

They exempted THEMSELVES as “citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution” - what about those born between when the Constitution was adopted and when England no longer considered all Americans as English (after the war of 1812)?

Was anyone born between those times, even if born of two American parents on American soil - not an NBC because England considered them English?


62 posted on 05/06/2013 8:03:26 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: so_real
Cruz would be a citizen "by statute", just like John McCain who required an act by congress to attempt legitimacy of his questionably constitutional White House run.

McCain's parents fell under the military service section. It was determined by Congress that McCain was born on "US soil", the military base in Panama, but they lied. There was no maternity ward on the base so his mother had to go the hospital outside the base to give birth.

Cruz's parents were in Canada working in the oil industry not in a military capacity. Cruz was born in Canada and the family came to America when he was 4. His mother is American but his Cuban father did not become a naturalized US citizen until 2005.

I voted for Cruz in his run for the Senate and I'd vote for him every day for any office other than POTUS. It's too bad his father didn't forsee this and become an American citizen before Ted was born but we must follow the Constitution.

63 posted on 05/06/2013 8:04:49 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: allmendream
Those born two two American citizens on American soil can ALSO be dual citizens at birth.

How so? The only scenario I can see that happening is if one of the parents is a dual citizen.

If dual citizenship at birth is a disqualification for being a natural born citizen - then Happerestt (sic) would be incorrect

Happerset never ruled on the other circumstances, it just stated that there were doubts, so how could it be incorrect?

64 posted on 05/06/2013 8:06:04 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: allmendream
not an NBC because England considered them English?

We declared Independence in 1776, your argument is moot.

65 posted on 05/06/2013 8:07:26 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: mazda77
Now, can Cruz be out there as a Trojan Horse on this issue, which is exactly what is happening.

It is fun watching them twist and turn and get their bloombers in a bunch trying to come up with some reason to somehow separate Cruz' ineligibility from hussein's. Their births couldn't be any more similar, tee hee.

66 posted on 05/06/2013 8:10:03 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

So now the criteria is born of two American citizens with no other citizenship and born on American soil?

England thought that Americans were English until 1815. Between the adoption of the Constitution in 1787 and the end of the war of 1812 - in 1815 - Presidents Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Lincoln and Johnson were all born.

Were none of these U.S. Presidents qualified because England considered them English according to English law?


67 posted on 05/06/2013 8:12:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Perdogg

One would have to suppose that if an Indonesian Moslem born in Kenya can sit as president, then Cruz has no worries.


68 posted on 05/06/2013 8:14:45 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: iontheball
........the courts have abandoned their responsibility
in this very important Constitutional matter.
They know the confusion is one of Constitutional interpretation
and their specific job is to interpret the Constitution.
Just because a Constitutional issue has political ramifications
doesn't get the courts off the hook.
Consequently, they have caused grave damage to this country
by their abdication of their sworn duty.

Justice Thomas has as much said so. It takes 4 Justices to accept a case on appeal. Apparently there is a grave disagreement on the court with at most, only 3 Judges at any one time agreeing to hear one of the many appeals that have reached the court.
There is also evidence that the SCOTUS staff itself has committed various forms of chicanery with cases submitted in order to sidetrack them.

We have lived through an anti-constitutional coup; a very successful one.

69 posted on 05/06/2013 8:14:52 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: bgill

yes he’s not eligible just like the Transformational usurper-in-chief. Which is why the “Ministry of Truth” is afraid of Cruz. If a Kenyan daddy’s boy can Occupy casablanca, why not a Cuban daddy’s boy? The propagandisdtas have opened Pandora’s box and they realize it.


70 posted on 05/06/2013 8:22:13 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: allmendream
So now the criteria is born of two American citizens with no other citizenship and born on American soil?

That's what Happerset said, and I concur.

Were none of these U.S. Presidents qualified because England considered them English according to English law?

What part of the DOI do you not get? Your argument is moot!

71 posted on 05/06/2013 8:23:06 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: bgill

Contrary to popular opinion, U.S. military installations and embassies are not considered U.S. soil for the purposes of determining citizenship.


72 posted on 05/06/2013 8:23:24 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: bgill

He got his citizenship by birth alone. He never had to be naturalized. The constititution mentions three statuses. Aliens (he is not) Citizen (can include immigrants), and the smaller subset of citizen “Natural Born”.

If you are a citizen, and didnt get naturalized, you are natural born.
Cruz qualifies easily.


73 posted on 05/06/2013 8:26:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: fwdude
[T]he proper conservative candidate has to be above reproach as far as qualifications, and if either of Cruz’s parents were not citizens, then we’d better hold out for a conservative beyond question.
Exactly! -- one who is Constitutionally qualified beyond reproach.
If we want to be a constitutional republic, we’d better insist on acting like one.
Exactly right again. Although you've got to love Ted Cruz's effective, unashamed promotion of conservatism (we certainly could use a few dozen more politicians on the national scene like him), he is not a natural born Citizen, so he cannot ever become a legitimate president or vice president (yes, I know that didn't stop aka obama).

He could do the country a great service by holding a series of very public press conferences whereupon he discusses the very serious doubts about his ineligibility based upon both his foreign birth and his father's non-citizen status at that moment. He could educate the country as to the original intent of founders and remind the press and public that this issue has already been decided by the supreme court as affirming the definition requiring birth free from any foreign allegiances (born exclusively 100 percent American by both blood and dirt). He could bring up the simple, irrefutable fact that the founders intended that to assume the presidency, one must be more than a mere born citizen, but be in fact a natural born Citizen. He could then rhetorically ask, "Why would the founders have included the modifier 'natural' in the phrase if it added absolutely no additional meaning?"

Ted Cruz has been presented with a golden opportunity to bring this issue to the national spotlight. I hope he is man enough and patriotic enough to yet do so (yes, I know a spokesman in his camp already said some weasel words about this issue, but I want to hear it from his own mouth discussed in detail).

74 posted on 05/06/2013 8:27:25 AM PDT by elengr
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To: allmendream
When a new citizen naturalizes, they swear an oath of exclusive allegiance to the USA officially breaking any other national ties as far as the USA is concerned. Thus, regardless of any claims to the contrary, the children of two naturalized citizens (or one typical native and one naturalized citizen) are recognized as non-dual, exclusive U.S. citizens under U.S. law.

The grey area comes when a U.S. native born child of a U.S. citizen and a resident alien is allowed to pass into their majority (usually at 18) without having to swear an oath of exclusive allegiance to the USA. This was never the intent of the founders in my opinion and dual citizenship for such children should not be allowed past the age of majority.

75 posted on 05/06/2013 8:27:25 AM PDT by elengr
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To: Perdogg

Where were these scum-sucking journorats when Obama was running? Nowhere.

Go Ted!


76 posted on 05/06/2013 8:32:57 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: bgill

...His father, a Cuban, didn’t get his US citizenship until 2005. Meaning Cruz isn’t a NBC. End of story.


How is the father’s status relevant to citizenship status if the mother’s status is replied upon?


77 posted on 05/06/2013 8:35:01 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

First governor of Texas, then President of the US.

Great Plan
I wodner if he would leave his senate seat to run for Gov in 2016
he could run and not give up his seat until he won

I like your thinking


78 posted on 05/06/2013 8:35:39 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Las Vegas Ron

So English citizenship law doesn’t matter but Cuban and Kenyan does? Did we need a declaration of independence from all other nations?


79 posted on 05/06/2013 8:35:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Perdogg

He is not truly natural born as I understand it

pity too...so far

McCain was born in Canal Zone to both US parents

Obama to one US parent on allegedly US territory

it is confusing no?


80 posted on 05/06/2013 8:37:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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