To: stonehouse01
>The complete and true pro life position is that abortion is never justified for any reason, ever.
Maybe for 1.2e-12% of the population.
Since we are talking absolutes, the only life in real danger would be the person trying to enforce it when a loved ones life is in danger due to pregnancy.
21 posted on
10/25/2012 11:01:16 AM PDT by
soycd
To: soycd; stonehouse01
Soycd:
Your view of pro-life enforcement as something that would happen prior to an emergency lifesaving surgery being attempted, is unnecessarily alarming, because that's not the way it happens.
- No kind of life-threatening abortion is common; the CDC and the Alan Guttmacher institute both put it at 1% or less.
- Even in these rare cases, the actual life-saving intervention (surgery to remove cervical or uterine cancer in a pregnant patient, removal of ectopic pregnancy, etc.) has never been, is not, and will not be regarded as abortion, either morally or legally.
- Even when abortion was proscribed in state laws pre-Roe, this type of life-saving surgery was 100% protected under the legal doctrines of "Necessity" or "Competing Harms," and the moral docrine of "Double Effect".
- Criminal abortionists were always arrested after the fact, in situations which usually depended upon a woman willing to testify against him, typically a woman hurt by the abortion. Abortionists being criminally prosecuted were notorious big-time operators who had left a trail of victims. Police detectives didn't go about surveilling ER's or OB/GYN offices.
So this scenario of some desperately ill woman perishing because he doctor was restrained from treating her illness or injury (in a way that would collaterally end the life of her conceived child) is something that didn't happen, isn't happening, and won't happen.
A little knowledge of the pre-Roe state-by-state history is useful here.
22 posted on
10/25/2012 11:28:06 AM PDT by
Mrs. Don-o
("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
To: soycd
“..when a loved ones life is in danger due to the pregnancy...”
Sorry - I agree, I just sort of assumed that everyone realizes that and my “not justified ever” statement was unclear. However, when the mother’s life is in danger, the abortion is not in the same category as simply murdering the child, the loss of the the baby is considered an unintentional consequence of saving the mother’s life - this is a delicate nuance but morally there is a difference. Of course this should happen if the mother’s life is in danger -
26 posted on
10/25/2012 12:20:42 PM PDT by
stonehouse01
(Equal rights for unborn women)
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