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Without voting, noncitizens could swing the election for Obama
Washington Post ^ | Friday, October 5, 2012 | Leonard Steinhorn

Posted on 10/05/2012 8:07:12 PM PDT by presidio9

If President Obama wins reelection by three or four Electoral College votes next month, the reason may be simple: noncitizens, mostly immigrants, who don’t have the right to vote. No, I’m not talking about his immigration policy or his popularity with Latinos. Nor does this have anything to do with voter fraud. Rather, an Obama victory could hinge on a quirk in the Constitution that gives noncitizens, a group that includes illegal immigrants and legal permanent residents, a say in electing the president of the United States.

As required by Article I and the Fourteenth Amendment, the decennial census, which allocates to each state its congressional seats and Electoral College votes, is based on a count of all people who live in the United States, citizens and noncitizens alike — or as the Constitution phrases it, “the whole number of persons in each state.” That means millions of noncitizens who are ineligible to vote are included in Electoral College calculations, and that benefits some states over others. Most of these noncitizens are here legally; however, the Pew Hispanic Center estimates that about 45 percent of noncitizens are undocumented immigrants.

In 2010 and most previous years, the census did not inquire about citizenship, but the American Community Survey (ACS), which samples our population every month, includes a breakdown of citizens and noncitizens. Plugging the 2010 ACS citizen-only numbers into the Census Bureau’s apportionment formula shows that

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010census; 2012issues; aliens; census; electoralcollege; foreignborn; illegals; illegalvote; immigration; obamapeople
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1 posted on 10/05/2012 8:07:17 PM PDT by presidio9
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sinking feeling..wish they would all go home and finish destroying thier own country.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 8:11:28 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: presidio9
I've wondered about this myself.Why in **** sake does California get 5 more Electoral votes than it should have because of millions of wetbacks living there???
3 posted on 10/05/2012 8:12:29 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Go teleport yourself back to 1787 and ask the founding fathers.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 8:14:58 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: presidio9

Thats why Romney needs to win in a blowout!


5 posted on 10/05/2012 8:15:42 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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6 posted on 10/05/2012 8:15:54 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: presidio9

Interesting in theory.

Texas has four new seats, three of which are supposedly based on Hispanic influx. Those EC votes will go to Romney. The South is gaining EC influence at the expense of the North and Rust belt. The South also (not coincidentally) has the largest influx from our Southern Border.

To the extent this theory is true, it operationally benefits Republicans.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 8:38:49 PM PDT by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I don’t like your use of that word. Please keep it classy.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 8:47:26 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Gay State Conservative

I don’t like your use of that word. Please keep it classy.


9 posted on 10/05/2012 8:47:42 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: dalebert
sinking feeling..wish they would all go home and finish destroying thier own country.

That would be California.

10 posted on 10/05/2012 8:55:36 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ziravan

“To the extent this theory is true, it operationally benefits Republicans”

For a few more election cycles maybe..demographics are going against Conservatives in general and Republicans in particular...


11 posted on 10/05/2012 9:09:28 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: winner3000

isn’t that what a lib would say?


14 posted on 10/05/2012 9:57:37 PM PDT by BrianE ("Dead at 25 buried at 65 the average American" - Benjamin Franklin 1776)
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To: Strategerist

>>Go teleport yourself back to 1787 and ask the founding fathers.

The founding fathers didn’t add that clause, it was added in 1868 (14th amendment, section 2) in order to get rid of the 3-5ths compromise.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 10:45:46 PM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: vikingd00d; All

great research! thanks!
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but also, i serious doubt,
the Founding Fathers,
ever intended or would approve of,
over 10 million living here illegally,
on the taxpayers dime.
...and that the President,
would refuse to secure the border !


16 posted on 10/05/2012 11:52:15 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: presidio9

I did the math.

Approximately 25 million people in the 2010 Census cannot vote.

More than 8% of our population.

But each one of them is counted to determine the electoral votes and the number of Congressmen in each state.

Roughly 11 million illegals.

Roughly 14 million Legal Residents (work visas, Green Cards, foreign students, etc.).


17 posted on 10/05/2012 11:57:49 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: winner3000; Gay State Conservative
*** I don’t like your use of that word. Please keep it classy.***

You're right winner. The proper term for them is: Espaldas mojadas.

18 posted on 10/06/2012 4:02:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: winner3000

Undocumented Democrats?


19 posted on 10/06/2012 4:12:51 AM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: winner3000
He was merely referring to a past governmment operation. How can history be offensive?

Operation Wetback In 1949 the Border Patrol seized nearly 280,000 illegal immigrants. By 1953, the numbers had grown to more than 865,000, and the U.S. government felt pressured to do something about the onslaught of immigration. What resulted was Operation Wetback, devised in 1954 under the supervision of new commissioner of the Immigration and Nationalization Service, Gen. Joseph Swing. Swing oversaw the Border patrol, and organized state and local officials along with the police. The object of his intense border enforcement were "illegal aliens," but common practice of Operation Wetback focused on Mexicans in general. The police swarmed through Mexican American barrios throughout the southeastern states. Some Mexicans, fearful of the potential violence of this militarization, fled back south across the border. In 1954, the agents discovered over 1 million illegal immigrants. In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born children, who were by law U.S. citizens. The agents used a wide brush in their criteria for interrogating potential aliens. They adopted the practice of stopping "Mexican-looking" citizens on the street and asking for identification. This practice incited and angered many U.S. citizens who were of Mexican American descent. Opponents in both the United States and Mexico complained of "police-state" methods, and Operation Wetback was abandoned.

It looks like Mr. Swing had the right idea, but even back then we didn't have the guts to defend our Nation - McCarthy had some good company and we were already being desensitized with "liberal" "values".

20 posted on 10/06/2012 4:30:11 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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