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The Duty to Throw off Such Government
Crisis magazine ^ | July 9, 2012 | Rev. James V. Schall, S.J.

Posted on 07/14/2012 4:23:32 AM PDT by iowamark

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To: iowamark
Bastiat:

“This question of legal plunder must be settled once and for all, and there are only three ways to settle it:"

"1. The few plunder the many. 2. Everybody plunders everybody. 3. Nobody plunders anybody.”

We are certainly at #2. When the plunder runs out, and it soon will, I doubt the public will return to Founding era virtue. A corrupted people will need totalitarian government, being suitable for no other.

21 posted on 07/14/2012 5:21:57 AM PDT by Jacquerie (I want my America back.)
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To: Robert Drobot

THis is why the government should not have UAVs and things of that sort. These inlets into our decisions and consciousnesses is completely ridiculous. I mean, do I need a little public trial every time before deciding if I am going to use a fork to pick my broccoli vs. my french fry up?

This is obviously genocide excuse into making people non-entities. Playing with UAV robots or what not is going to be their sole role model. It’s bad enough the K9 unit tries to train people the way they do their own dogs.


22 posted on 07/14/2012 5:23:03 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: driftdiver

Jeremiah 17:5 Cursed is the man who puts his trust in man,who makes flesh his arm-and is turned from God.” We have trusted our Government.We have excused their error fearing we might be ridiculed for questioning authority.Yet I have been saying for twenty years that the American Government has replaced the role played by the Brits in the Founding era. For the same reasons.We have forgotten God(as President Lincoln so rightly put it March 30,1863.Except the Lord of Hosts had preserved to us a very small remnant we would have been made like Sodom and like unto Gomorrah.Romans 9:29 quoting Isaiah 1:9 see also Isaiah 13:19 Is America the new Babylon?


23 posted on 07/14/2012 5:24:43 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: iowamark

What’s most remarkable about this article is that it was written by a Jesuit who serves on the faculty at Georgetown University. When you start to see this sort of thing from “Catholics” who had spent most of the last 60 years turning from God and getting very comfortable with Mammon, you know something is up.


24 posted on 07/14/2012 5:35:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: iowamark
The term “unconstitutional” is meaningless.

I want to see our republican leaders take this part and throw him out by impeachment. I know, I am dreaming.

25 posted on 07/14/2012 5:40:43 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: StonyBurk

I’m not saying that things are great, just that the cycle has been seen before and there is hope for those who accept Jesus.


26 posted on 07/14/2012 5:44:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bryanw92
Ending abortion is not even a good start.

...but "being Christian" is, eh? So let's keep on slaughtering babies, until we get that worship right, is that it?

[heroically restrains self]

I suppose it should be repeated because it seems you missed it: nothing improves until abortion stops. Nothing. Ever.

27 posted on 07/14/2012 5:56:46 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (America has enemies. And friends.)
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To: Bryanw92
I think there's a story in the bible about Soddom and Gomorrah rising in judgment of those who "had the worship right" but continued to lie, cheat, steal, murder...

in other words, aquinas, a heathen who doesn't murder his baby will judge the religious person who does -- or who, perhaps, doesn't think it's as important to put a stop to as it is to go to church on Sundays and Wednesdays.

28 posted on 07/14/2012 6:02:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (America has enemies. And friends.)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"

See you there, fellow Patriot!

29 posted on 07/14/2012 6:12:55 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

>>I think there’s a story in the bible about Soddom and Gomorrah rising in judgment of those who “had the worship right” but continued to lie, cheat, steal, murder...

Exactly. They had the worship right. They did all the “things” required. They had a temple, a priest, they walked through the sacraments, they had the right artwork, they gave the required amount to the right charities. They did everything but love God with all their hearts. And then with an evil heart, they went out and committed murder, etc.

The average American Christian does the exact same thing. They show up on Sunday and maybe Wednesday, if there isn’t something else to do, and they go through the motions of performing the act of worship.

The. Act. Of. Worship.

That’s all. Just the act. Just AN act.

Outlawing the murder of babies will not fix that. And God will not favor a nation that does not favor Him.

Now, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t outlaw abortion. It is a crime against humanity, no different than herding people into poision gas showers. But, the line of thinking that God will favor us for doing just that is flawed.


30 posted on 07/14/2012 6:39:11 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: the invisib1e hand

>>...but “being Christian” is, eh? So let’s keep on slaughtering babies, until we get that worship right, is that it?

No. I already made my statement on the difference between worship and the act of worship.

>>[heroically restrains self]

There’s nothing heroic in telling others to not do something that you would never do yourself. Heroism is having a half-dozen unwanted foster children living in your house.


31 posted on 07/14/2012 6:43:36 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: iowamark
The most contentious -- and paradigm-blasting -- idea in the Declaration is that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. Citizen rights do NOT derive from the government down, but vice versa.

Jefferson's thesis -- upon which he expounds at length -- is that the Crown had violated the precepts of Lockeian social contract, that the obligations of the government to its citizens had been ignored, while the obligations of the citizenry were being enforced at gunpoint. To Locke and Jefferson, that meant the social contract was dissolved; no contract can be unilateral.

We are at that same point (and beyond) today. Our government is NOT "just." It does NOT derive its powers from the consent of the governed; how could Obamacare have passed if it did, when a vast majority of citizens opposed it? And it is not protecting the rights of its citizens; it is merely perpetuating itself and its own elitist vision. Therefore, the social contract, if not dissolved, is certainly eroded, and we find ourselves in much the same position the Founding Fathers did in the days of tri-corn hats.

That is the lesson we've forgotten. That is the lesson we must relearn if America is to once again be free.

32 posted on 07/14/2012 7:39:19 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Arrowhead1952
The federal administrative and judicial branches have turned their collective backs on our Constitution. The Congress has been morally corrupt since its surrender of its Constitutional duty to control our currency in 1913 to the .

Your conclusion ".... I know, I am dreaming." would have been an unthinkable American thought in the forties and fifties, and yet it is what it is.

Greed and sloth coupled with apathy and narcissism have overtaken a once fiercely independent America to the point of drowning in a suicidal drug induced arrogance.

The Congress is now preparing their script to deliver our ‘no compromise’ Constitutional freedom to bare arms to a contemptable store front fraud that would not exist, but for the billions of our wealth our Congress has flushed down its money sucking throat to ‘buy’ their sewer slime respect.

I’ll write it again :

I’m ready for the call.

There are no peaceful options remaining to redress the betrayal of America’s Citizens by a governing body of fools in denial of their precarious vulnerability.

33 posted on 07/14/2012 7:44:27 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: Robert Drobot

We have used the soap box, the ballot box turned out to be a joke. Now the bullet box is our only remaining option.


34 posted on 07/14/2012 8:13:07 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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The federal administrative and judicial branches have turned their collective backs on our Constitution. The Congress has been morally corrupt since its surrender of its Constitutional duty to control our currency in 1913 to the most secret private entity in the world. The FED.

It is the FED that came to control our wealth through the secret financing other governments - including those posing the greatest threats to our national security.

The FED has never permitted a complete disclosure of how it has abused the use of our money, and made necessary the expenditure of greater assets in response to historical security threats. For the past ninety-nine years Congress has surrendered America to a monster that has been squandered everything we have and held for future generations.

We really don't know the gravity of the debt, and the Congress wants it kept that way.

35 posted on 07/14/2012 8:26:17 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: iowamark; All
"Constitutional rule derives from a people who understand the nature and demands of the virtues and their relation to our final end. It is aware of an order transcendent to politics. Arbitrary rule arises when a leader, seeing that the people have no real order of soul, sees himself able to impose whatever form of rule that he thinks good for the people. Unless they acquiesce in this rule and its decrees, they are no longer citizens, whatever a written Constitution might say."

What a powerfully insightful statement! Others, including Supreme Court Justices have stated it clearly before; yet, for generations, we have failed, as a people, to study the ideas essential to our liberty which were carefully laid out in our Declaration of Independence and the writings of the Founders and Framers of our Constitution. Instead, we allowed so-called "progressives" to work, like termites, gradually to censor those ideas from our textbooks and our public discourse.


The U. S. Constitution's Precious Cargo*

"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court even can do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

The Constitution's words are only the vehicles which carry great ideas across the centuries. The precious cargo must be defined, protected, and treasured by "We, the People" in order for its benefits to accrue to each generation. Take the word, "liberty". What message does this semantic vehicle bring?

Abe Lincoln: "We all declare for liberty, but

in using the same word we do not mean the same thing...."

"The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator,

While the wolf denounces him for the same act...."

"Plainly," said Lincoln, "the sheep and the wolf are not agreed

upon a definition of liberty."

To some, he said, "liberty" means: that each individual in the society may do as he sees fit with himself and the earnings from his labors. To others, "liberty" means: that some persons may do as they see fit (or arbitrarily determine to be best) with other persons' earnings. Lincoln wisely observed that each respective view can be called by the other party by two "different and incompatible" names: "liberty" (unbridled license) and "tyranny" (power abused).

Down through the centuries since 1787, America's constitutional vehicle has traveled, proclaiming right up front that its primary purpose is to "secure the Blessings of Liberty." This is not just any old vehicle. This is the Constitution of the United States of America! Its makers left volumes of writings and definitions of the cargo of priceless treasure its words carry. Its intent to secure a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common Defense, and promote the general Welfare (common good) and "secure the Blessings of Liberty" relies on a clear understanding of, and strict adherence to, its underlying philosophy that each individual possesses Creator-endowed rights, as well as its structural provisions for protecting them from abuses of power by those they elect to positions of power in public office.

"Liberty"--the word--can become "liberty"--the blessing--only to those who care enough to know the difference between "license" and "tyranny": to those who will never mistake the real treasure of liberty envisioned by America's Founders for its counterfeits--rampant, unbridled license among the citizenry or abuse of power by those to whom power is delegated. Both are equally fatal to true liberty.

* "Lessons In Liberty" Series by La Vaughn G. Lewis, Free Lance Writer and Co-Editor of "Our Ageless Constitution" & "Rediscovering the Ideas of Liberty"

36 posted on 07/14/2012 9:02:42 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: iowamark

BFL


37 posted on 07/14/2012 9:07:44 AM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: A.A. Cunningham

One of my favorite professors.


38 posted on 07/14/2012 2:16:44 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: iowamark; All

One of the most important threads of this year...

I believe there are several FReepers capable of coming up with some very well worded “pariculars” to list the abuses of the government, and its representatives have imposed upon us over just the last 40-50 years...

But since we still have the mechanism to throw off these very representatives...It comes down to what is anyone prepared to do about it, and what are you prepared to sacrifice for it???

When we lose that ability to effect change every two years, then it might be time to throw off that government in a manner fitting and honorableto those whoactiually did to get this Union started...

When it ever comes time to go to guns, everyone loses, lets not forget that...


39 posted on 07/14/2012 2:22:29 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Really. Just how is that going to work?


40 posted on 07/14/2012 5:02:20 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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