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To: afraidfortherepublic

Alexander Hamilton was the original ‘Big Government” guy. He would’ve been very happy to see how the grand experiment turned out.


3 posted on 05/28/2012 3:45:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
Alexander Hamilton was the original ‘Big Government” guy.

Wrong. He was for a strong executive, which the times called for as the early United States was easy prey for rapacious foreign powers. Hamilton believed that the future of America was in extensive industrial development and wealth creation. He favored a strong central government to develop such. There is no way that Hamilton advocated or even envisioned the modern entitlement state -- that is a slander on his memory, beloved of paleocons and libertarians.

The political alternative of the time -- Jeffersonianism -- envisioned a nation of yeoman farmers. His system was propped up by slavery. Hamilton believed in free labor and free markets.

5 posted on 05/28/2012 4:00:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Timber Rattler
Alexander Hamilton was the original ‘Big Government” guy. He would’ve been very happy to see how the grand experiment turned out.

Spoken like someone with a superficial knowledge of the founders, at best.

7 posted on 05/28/2012 4:23:30 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (A conservative voting for Romney is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: Timber Rattler; Cincinatus; Yashcheritsiy
Timber Rattler: Alexander Hamilton was the original ‘Big Government” guy. ...

Cincinatus: Wrong ...

Yashcheritsiy: Spoken like someone with a superficial knowledge of the founders, at best.

From the Article: A lot of people living in the United States in 1790 believed (as a lot of people do today) that the debts incurred during the American Revolution should just be ignored. What modern people would think of as the United States didn't begin until 1789. The debts run up before that time were under a different government, so why should the new government be responsible for that debt?

Alexander Hamilton ... believed that the new nation needed a good reputation on the international scene. If the United States was known to honor its debts, it would find it easier to get loans. Hamilton pointed out that this would be especially useful in a national emergency. Moreover, Hamilton wanted the federal government to take up all the state debt as well. He believed that it would help foster kinship among Americans by uniting them against a common problem.

Hamilton was indeed a big government guy.

Hamilton attempted to pay off the revolutionary war debt with a whiskey excise tax. The tax fell on a limited population (farmers living in the frontier) and was punitive in amount, and stifled commerce. It was met with what is now known as the Whiskey Tax Rebellion. The war resulted in Washington taking the field in an unsuccessful attempt to quash the rebellion in Pennsylvania. The war dragged on until the tax was repealed; the government failed to break even on the levy (the cost of the war exceeded the tax receipts). Distillation enterprises were driven from Pennsylvania and North Carolina to Kentucky and Tennessee (which were not members of the Union at the time), and underground in North Carolina and Virginia -- situations that persist to this day.

Hamilton believed in a strong federal government to the detriment of states rights. He favored free enterprise, but regarded it as an tool to fund his beloved government. He implemented draconian taxes, believed in unnecessary government regulations, and would have loved the modern day IRS.

I strongly admire our Founding Fathers and owe them an immeasurable debt of gratitude, but they, including Hamilton, were not entirely without fault.

10 posted on 05/28/2012 4:55:12 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: Timber Rattler

You’re right. Hamilton is the GOPe, and Jefferson is the tea party.


17 posted on 05/28/2012 5:37:19 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Not true. Before adopting a position you should do a little research. Hamilton was a major contributor to The Federalist. He would not have disagreed with the notion of States retaining their sovereignty, nor would he have wanted what has happened to this country over time. Saying that he was for a stronger national government than other revolutionary contemporaries is a strawman. It’s like saying that Washington wanted the extinction of cherry trees because he chopped one down. (I know that is a myth by the, to save you the trouble.)


34 posted on 05/28/2012 7:45:51 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Timber Rattler

True, Hamilton was as you say, but I’m inclined to believe even he would be appalled at events today. But, then who knows, hell, he might even want to crown the one King.


113 posted on 05/31/2012 2:20:20 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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