Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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The Presidency @ the top of the ballot is NOT the election.
As has been demonstrated repeatedly, it’s the House and Senate and the State Legislatures that matter most in determining the course and future of the country. It matters NOT what the POTUS wants if Congress isn’t going to deliver it. Alternatively, it matters NOT what we think we want if we don’t take care to elect a Congress that WILL deliver.
I want ‘almost’ anybody ‘not Obama’ waving the baton and will figure out how to vote against him when the time comes.
JimR’s point seems to be ‘ ... Well, we can’t have the POTUS we want THIS time but we MUST get rid of the POTUS we have AND pick up every Congressional and State Legislative seat we can get’. Seems an adequate strategy for this and every future election cycle.
‘Eating our own’ because we don’t have the POTUS nominee we want is simply self-defeating.
One Man’s Opinion
"You know this is not a choice between Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan. This is a choice between Mitt Romney and the most radical leftist president in American history."
(I will still be puking as I pull the lever)
Well said Jim. Finances have been tight for my family lately but I finally received back some of the money the IRS seized from me last year, so I am sending in my part today.
God Bless FreeRepublic!
What entities do you expect to exist or come into existence, over the next four years, that will have the power to defeat a sitting Republican president?
Which of these entities will be conservative?
Of course another massive Tea Party Rally in DC in the September/October time frame would help to get that point across.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
Winston Churchill - June 18, 1940
I find nothing with which to argue in your post. In fact I agree with it but never could see the need for “cutting off one’s nose to spite his face”.
Job one is getting rid of Obozo and his minions. At the same time we need to elect actual CONSERVATIVES whereever and whenever we can!
God bless you for everything you do. You are a true inspiration!
I don’t care what other members do for Romney, but please do not expect me or any other pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government person who declines to support him to join in on the Romney parade. I will not vote for him, will not endorse him, will not support him, will not campaign for him and will not run banners for him. And I will reserve the right to support another candidate if a miracle happens at the convention and a real conservative jumps in.
But I don’t want to see the tea party or the conservative movement or FR to be destroyed because of him and Rove.
Like the man said, we have bigger fish to fry.
I don't trust him, either. There is enough in his background to raise real concerns. However, Romney has at least been campaigning largely as a conservative. He has said repeatedly during this campaign that he opposes Obamacare, abortion, and same-sex marriage. And unless he changes his positions on these issues between now and election day, or puts an avowed pro-abort on ticket, I will most likely vote for him.
The alternative is Obama, and I know what to expect from Obama. With Romney, there is at least a chance--especially with a Congress much more conservative than the Massachusetts legislature--that he will govern in a significantly more conservative direction.
conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty. . . .
That is my philosophy too, as it is for all the good conservatives who have been around here for a while. I think we all agree on philosophy; it is on strategy where we have some differences. And this has led to some good, longtime, conservative FReepers getting zotted or being reluctant to express themelves freely.
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
OK, but what does this "truce" mean? What will be different from the last few months? For example, will those longtime FReepers who were banned be able to come back? Will their posting privileges be restored? I'm not talking about obvious DU-type trolls, disruptors. I'm talking about people who got the zot but whose posting history and sign-up date makes it clear they were not trolls. Is there a way of un-zotting them or letting them know they can come back now? I think it would help the morale around here.
Thanks for allowing a frank discussion of these things.
I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration.
Every conservative, IMO, needs to make a hard assessment of whether a Romney win in 2012 would be a Pyrrhic victory in the ongoing fight against entrenched socialism in Washington. I can see both arguments. What I can't stand is the simplistic calls of party unity by too many on this site that ignores the basic fact that the GOP-E has openly knifed good conservatives in the back for too long - examples being Palin in 2008 and many Tea Party candidates in 2010. This fight is much bigger than just this election, and IMO President Romney would be a long detour in that fight.
I won't yell at anyone who says they are voting for Romney because he's not as bad as Obama. But I will tell anyone demanding me to follow their lead to KMA. Conservatives are not GOP lemmings any more. The GOP-E has to make the case for Romney and so far they have done the opposite.
Under Romney Massachusetts was no paradise..far from it.I mean how can you have paradise in a state which has a legislature that's 90% Rat? How can you have a paradise in a state where Barney Frank is the "centrist".But I can assure you all that,while no paradise under Romney,Massachusetts was a far better place under him than it is under Coupe Deval.Far,far,far,FAR better.Better by a factor of 10.
Romney will very probably not be a *great* President.He probably won't even be a particularly *good* President.But as was the case in '92 only one of *two* people will be President next January.In 1993 those two individuals were Bush and Billy Bob.Next January it will either be Romney or the current Community Organizer-In-Chief.The last time a third party candidate got a *single* Electoral Vote was 1972.My guess is that more than a few here weren't even *alive* in 1972.
I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils that will be receiving Electoral Votes this December.Not with any joy in my heart,to be sure.The fight for the soul of the Republican Party can go on at any time *except* between the time that a Presidential nominee is determined (which appears to have occurred with *both* parties) and the moment that the last polls close on election day.Any other attitude today,given the breathtaking danger that an unrestrained Osama Obama represents to this nation in a second term,is literally national suicide.
Well Said Jim
Well, I confess there is that. My faith in them is pretty low too, but I think it’s all we got. It’s why lately I tell people to forget about the government. You’re on your own.
I won’t vote straight R but I will vote straight Conservative. Mittens isn’t getting my vote.
I don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell anyway. The fix is in. Way to go, pubs!
Let the head of the snake think it has a chance to live,while we go for the soft underbelly, stay in it for the long haul...wear them out locally with contested races and then go in for the finish! Go TEA party!
Principled stance perhaps, but a wise stance? What is wise about giving Barack Obama the Supreme Court for the next generation or two?
I don't claim any special privilege but I want you to know something about me so that you don't accuse me of being the casual Freeper. I have been with this site since 1998. I carried JimRob up the steps of the Architecture Museum (of course with the assistance of several other Freepers grabbing a part of the chair.) I have given over $4000 to the support of this site. And I fear for the future of my granddaughters who will have to live with the results of a second Obama term, a continuation of the tyranny, a continuation of using the Constitution as toilet paper. I would vote for Dennis Kucinich if I had to in order to stop this Kenyan Communist Bastard from continuing in office. Anybody who can't vote for Romney to save his and my grandchildren and the ones that follow them is too wrapped up in himself to give a damn about this country. If you can't vote for Romney at this point you are more like Bill Ayers who wanted to destroy the country and replace it with something in his own image.
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