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To: SamuraiScot

Zimmerman left his car, you can spin that any way you like, but he left his car and did pursue the kid, he escalated a situation against the advice of the police. He did repeatedly dumb things that escalated a situation needlessly.

Who is saying neighborhood watch is a bad thing? I never suggested it. However when someone does something stupid, and they do it with a gun in their hand, I am not going to knee jerk to defend their stupidity just because I am a firm believer in the 2nd ammendment. Here’s the truth, not every gun owner is responsible, and like it or not, there are idiots out there with guns who do incredibly stupid things with them. When they do stupid things with them, they don’t deserve defended, they deserve being called an idiot.

Neighborhood Watch guidelines in any NWO I’ve been involved with is to report, not to pursue.. So don’t try to spin Zimmermans idiotic actions as good and proper NW procedures. He was advised to not do what he did, he did it anyway, and he had a right to, but his stupidity in doing so is something you can’t white wash away. That action and actions that followed lead to what happened. Cause and effect folks, zimmerman calls the cops, stays in his car, and lets them handle it, this situation never happens. Trying to argue otherwise is a fools errand.

Zimmerman escalated the situation, did he throw the first punch? Who knows, the neighbor hood watch guys and ex con with a past, and the kid was a wanna be thug, and dead. So, its a he said she said on who threw the first punch. However Zimmerman did indeed, leave his vehicle and pursue the kid, against advice. Phone records confirm he was on the phone with his girlfriend around the time of this, and her testimony, whether you believe it or not, is the altercation began while she was on the phone and that Trayvon was being tailed and followed by Zimmerman.. Again, she could be lying completely, but the times of the phone call do confirm this. Zimmerman left his car, pursued this kid, and honestly, anyone tailing me at night, I’m not exactly going to think they have the best of intentions either.

Zimmerman mad repeatedly dumb decisions, and having a gun in his posession probably emboldened him to make those bad decisions. I don’t think that’s a wrong supposition, and I agree with that part of what Cosby stated.


33 posted on 04/10/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
its a he said she said on who threw the first punch.

You are wrong in your conclusions because they were both "he". Only one of them said anything.

He said he got a sucker punch. Did he sucker punch himself?

35 posted on 04/10/2012 9:54:23 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: HamiltonJay
Zimmerman did indeed, leave his vehicle and pursue the kid, against advice.

Everything turns on this assertion, which is repeated daily in the state-run media. But there's actually no evidence for it, as Ann Coulter pointed out in a recent column. The sounds on the 911 audio actually indicate the opposite. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he's following the subject, and when Zimmerman replies that he is, says, "We don't need you to do that." Immediately, Zimmerman, who has been breathing heavily as if trotting or running, starts breathing normally. Then he explains the situation in response to the dispatcher's next questions in a normal voice. And then he's back at his truck, which is where the fight and shooting take place.

Listen to the audio. Not only did Zimmerman break off his pursuit when the dispatcher suggested it, but somehow, afterwards, Trayvon made his way over to Zimmerman's truck, since that's where he got shot. He was more of a stalker than Zimmerman. This is probably why there was no chance of charging Zimmerman with murder, and the grand jury wasn't empaneled.

38 posted on 04/10/2012 10:40:21 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: HamiltonJay
"he escalated a situation against the advice of the police."

There's a lot that isn't known about the Martin/Zimmerman encounter, but there are facts that are known. Cold hard facts. When you said Zimmerman acted against the "advice of the police" was the point at which I realized you don't know the most basic, cold, hard facts.

Zimmerman didn't speak with the police. What other 'facts' do you know that aren't true?

40 posted on 04/10/2012 3:47:39 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: HamiltonJay

I need to apologize for my last comment. If the 911 dispatcher was a police 911 dispatcher, then you’re justified in calling him the police. I apologize.


41 posted on 04/10/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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