Posted on 02/20/2012 10:59:24 AM PST by tobyhill
“I come to you in the name of the one that is descended from heaven.”
Rev 12:7: And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels warred,
Rev 12:8: but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more.
Rev 12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Some people think Satan was cast “Descended???” out of heaven at the beginning.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Doesn’t sound like it to me. God Almighty doesn’t cast someone out then allows audience with himself.
Descended, yes indeed, a lie of pride.
The Lord shows Satan the door, with a footprint on Satan’s arse the size of the universe, and Satan quips...
“I come to you in the name of the one that is descended from heaven.”
Will this be an SNL comedy script soon?????
Rupert Murdoch also tweets that Rick Santorum's rise in polls shows "Values do count in America."
Where is the Bishop Spong of Muslims? That is, the Muslim who denies all that entails the Islamic religion...is there such a person?
Anyone who claims to be a Christain, and then says that Obama is one has some serious issues.
I don’t know. Apparently, liberals can decide who’s authentically black.
Actually, “following God’s word” always involves a tradition. The Scriptures are not self-interpreting. If they were, there would be no doctrinal differences among sects that embrace the notion of “sola scriptura”, yet there are. Even the principle of not expounding one part of Scripture in a manner repugnant to another is a tradition — one Christians generally adhere to, in contrast to the Muslim tradition of resolving apparent contradictions by having the later-written part of their scriptures abrogate the earlier-written part.
Deciding which parts of Scripture are to be read literally, and which metaphorically involves a tradition. I am curious, do you believe Jesus when He says “This is my body”, referring to the bread at the Last Supper? If so, why? Lots of folks whose Christianity is defined by the bounds of their reading of Scripture don’t. If not, why not? He says it quite plainly. Either way, what you do involves adhering to a tradition: if you believe Our Lord meant it and take that passage of Scripture literally, a tradition that goes back to the Apostles, if not and think it was a metaphor, then a tradition that in living succession dates back to Zwingli (though your apparent heroes the iconoclasts seem to have beaten him to it.)
Of course, perhaps you really don’t adhere to a tradition, perhaps you fancy that you, your Bible and whatever spirit is informing your interpretations are sufficient to uncover all truth, and you came to that conclusion all on your own, without anyone proposing the notion of “sola scriptura” to you, and without regard for how any other Christian to whom the promise that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth was equally given ever read the Scriptures before you. In which case I would ask, who elected you to be an infallible Pope?
Even your canon of Scripture is based on a tradition. I suspect one traceable to the erroneous preference of St. Jerome for the Masorete as preserved by the Christ-denying rabbis over the Septuagint, via Luther who had the arrogance to throw books out of the Church’s canon. (Or do you actually follow the Church and keep the whole Old Testament, rather than just the books the Christ-denying rabbis at Jamnia kept?)
Do you really think to persuade by abuse? Post an well-considered reply without specious accusations of paganism, and I will continue our dialog. Otherwise it is at an end, and in parting, I would note that Jews regard all of us Christians to be pagans for considering the Man Jesus to be God, and suggest that you consider whether your horror of “paganism” might not be a Judaizing heresy applied not to food and circumcision as that which roiled the Church in Apostolic times, but to other matters.
Problem is that lefties think the government is the provider of all fruits, even though they shouldn’t be in the business!
Thanks for the analysis, but I was just quoting a Hollywood movie script in response to what someone else posted about what 0bama might say in a speech to tell us where his loyalties lie.
Neither Black Liberation Theology nor Islam is “Christian”...
IOW’s.....how funny the claim is.....but, I guess I deserved crickets. PS....prior to posting this I accomplished a "Spell" check and I had 2 L's in "hilarity", and when I checked the pull down menu for the correct spelling.....the very next choice was....."Hillary". You can't make this stuff up.
Obama is a Muslim wanabe or Wahabe.
As time goes on the evidence of this administration and Obama’s sympathies are adding up.
If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck.
The term Al-Takeyya means:
Within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying and deceiving is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged.
http://pc540.blogspot.com/2005/06/does-islam-teach-that-its-ok-to-lie-in.html
“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah, except by way of prevention that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you to remember Himself for the final goal is to Allah.” - Quran - Surah 3:28
Obama’s sympathies for Islam mounts
“One of the prettiest sounds on earth” is the Muslim call to prayer at sunset.
Barack Hussein Obama as quoted by Nicholas D. Kristof in the New York Times - March 6, 2007
http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of-the-prettiest-sounds-on-earth/
http://caosblog.com/archives/7373
• The FIRST thing Obama did as a newly elected Illinois State Senator was to attempt to declare a Muslim holiday. Obama sponsored Bill SR0110 in the 90th General Assembly to declare November 1, 1997 to be Islamic Community Center Day. It did not pass.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SR0110.html
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/srgroups/sr/900SR0110LV.html
• His biological father was a Muslim.
http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/?title=Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.&src=abop&qpvt=barack+obama+seniot&q=barack+obama+senior&fwd=1
• Because his biological father was a Muslim the Islam world thinks he is a Muslim.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/08/obama_is_a_muslim_18_24_or.html?hpid=topnews
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/
• His stepfather was a Muslim.
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2952/barry-soetoro/
• As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia. An Indonesian Madrasa.
• Barack Hussein Obama’s first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
Barack was the name for Mohammad’s horse. Husein, enough said.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700246419/Barack-Muhammads-horse.html
http://sanooaung.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/will-be-obama-with-us-muslims-as-the-meaning-of-his-name-in-persian-language/
• Obama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07 (***this one is a gottcha moment***)
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3413/pub_detail.asp
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11679
• On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth.”
http://jewagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/obama-muslim-call-to-prayer-one-of-the-prettiest-sounds-on-earth/
http://caosblog.com/archives/7373
• Obama belonged to Rev. Wright’s (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/
http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/20/rev-wright-got-his-masters-degree-in-islam-in-west-africa/
http://endtimes.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/289
• Obama’s said that the U.S. is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/obama_america_one_of_the_large_1.asp
• Obama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1724544/obama_cancels_national_day_of_prayer.html?cat=9
http://www.exposeobama.com/
• President Obama’s religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States “the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.”
• Obama does not give gifts on Christmas.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12035.html
• Obama doesn’t celebrate his birthday.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/a-tough-birthday-for-obama/
• Obama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7041/pub_detail.asp
• Obama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.
http://blog.acton.org/archives/9843-notre-dame-georgetown-and-president-obama.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/11/opinion/main5006203.shtml
http://dougpowers.com/2009/04/17/obamas-jesus-coverup/
• Christian symbol covered up during Obama’s Georgetown speech
http://myfaithspace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-covers-christ-and-cross
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46667
• Obama’s first major speech in office was a “Muslim outreach” speech in Cairo Egypt.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8083171.stm
• “The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/bombshell-egyptian-foreign-minister-ahmed-aboul-gheit-says-on-egyptian-tv-%e2%80%9cthe-american-president-told-me-in-confidence-that-he-is-still-a-muslim-%e2%80%9d/
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=166905
• Obama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the day’s end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/president-obama-supports-ground-zero-mosque/19593492?ncid=webmail
• Obama tasked NASA with a mission of “Muslim outreach.”
http://technology.newsplurk.com/2010/07/nasa-and-islam.html
• Obama referred to his faith as “my Muslim faith” gaffe in an interview with George Stephanopolous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I
• Pushes Islamic freedom of religion but not Jewish or Christian freedoms. Several weeks ago he told Israel NOT to build settlements in East Jerusalem. But OK to build that Mosque at Ground Zero.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7514285/Israel-spits-in-Obamas-eye-by-announcing-new-settlements-in-east-Jerusalem.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/24/barack-obama-israel-settlement-plan
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