That's the most ironic thing I've read - on this thread anyway. Kellis, you seem to want everyone to pay for the government as the enforcer and protector of society, which is a fair and arguable point; but then you choose not to see any correlation to society investing in the very resources that perpetuate itself. While I still argue that society does not come first, that the individual is supreme, I infer from your logic that military spending is good and police, jails and courts are good to keep us all in line and paying our taxes, but paying for education and allowances for breeders to feed the machine is somehow a burden not to be shouldered by society.
“Kellis, you seem to want everyone to pay for the government as the enforcer and protector of society, which is a fair and arguable point; but then you choose not to see any correlation to society investing in the very resources that perpetuate itself. While I still argue that society does not come first, that the individual is supreme, I infer from your logic that military spending is good and police, jails and courts are good to keep us all in line and paying our taxes, but paying for education and allowances for breeders to feed the machine is somehow a burden not to be shouldered by society. “
You do seem to misunderstand my position. I said the individual owes taxes to an entity that protects them personally, not society as a whole. “Keeping us in line” is not the goal but the side-effect. The goal is to protect the individual from the predations of an anarchist society. Paying breeders to produce more have-nots to threaten the individual’s property is not in the interest of the individual.
I reject the idea that an individual must rely on someone else’s children in their old age and they are therefor obligated to share the cost of raising those children. If the individual takes care of themselves their whole life and is not continually drained by welfare taxes, there is no reason their own savings cannot support them in their old age and they will not burden their own or other people’s children. Carrie_Okie’s position assumes that individuals must necessarily be a burden on future generations because they will not have prepared responsibly for their own future. She sees those children as the investment, which is tantamount to making them slaves forced to work to support strangers.