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To: mvymvy
The average change in the margin of victory as a result of a statewide recount was a mere 296 votes in a 10-year study of 2,884 elections.

You OBVIOUSLY DO NOT know election law ...

In EVERY state, a challenger has a LEGAL right to a recount at taxpayer expense, as long as the margin of victory DOES NOT exceed a specified threshold [usually up to 2%] ...

With the NPV, the election is at the NATIONAL level [as you like to say "each and every vote counts"] - THEREFORE ANY recount would have to be done at a NATIONAL level AND under UNIFORM standards, so as NOT to violate the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause [as the Court has PREVIOUSLY ruled] ...

No matter that a recount might not change the outcome - the right of the challenger to one [under certain conditions] STILL prevails ...

BUT, I suppose you will keep on rationalizing an untenable postion ...

161 posted on 02/01/2012 3:21:06 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

No. The ability to obtain a recount in situations “close enough to warrant a recount” is hardly assured under the current state-by-state winner-take-all system, as demonstrated in Florida in 2000.

Moreover, the ability to obtain a recount in situations “close enough to warrant a recount” does not exist at all in Mississippi. It does not have recount laws. If, for example, the 537-popular-vote margin that determined the 2000 presidential election had occurred in Mississippi (instead of Florida), there would have been no possibility of a recount. The initial count would have been the first, only, and final count in Mississippi.

We do and would vote state by state. Each state manages its own election and, except for MS, is prepared to conduct a recount.

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment only restricts a given state in the manner it treats persons “within its jurisdiction.”

Under NPV, every vote would be included in the state counts.

Given that there is a recount only once in about 160 statewide elections, and given there is a presidential election once every four years, one would expect a recount about once in 640 years with the National Popular Vote. The actual probability of a close national election would be even less than that because recounts are less likely with larger pools of votes.

In the current state-by-state winner-take-all system, there are 51 separate opportunities for recounts in every presidential election. Thus, our nation’s 56 presidential elections have really been 2,084 separate state-level elections. In this group of 2,084 separate elections, there have been five seriously disputed counts. The current system has repeatedly created artificial crises in which the vote has been extremely close in particular states, while not close on a nationwide basis. Note that five seriously disputed counts out of the 2,084 separate state-level elections is closely in line with the historically observed probability of 1 in 160.

A national popular vote would reduce the probability of a recount from five instances in 56 presidential elections to one instance in 160 elections (that is, once in 640 years).


163 posted on 02/01/2012 4:33:43 PM PST by mvymvy
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